Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
sautan904
Anyone who know ANYthing about cables, knows that once you move them, it takes a while for them to ’settle’ again. A ’blind test’ done by switching cables out, one after the other, is the height of futility and absurdity.
It’s not the cable, it’s one’s level of sophistication and knowledge. Now that there are a zillion cable around, whereas there used to be only 3 or 4 top brands that dealers carried, people walk in and want to hear "X" or "Y" compared to each other, one right after the other. This is dumb, but not necessarily the consumer’s fault. The dealer fails to educate his client base and with the short attention spans people betray, it’s no wonder someone feels like this.

Clearly few people remember the Stereophile Carver Challenge, when Bob Carver tried to duplicate his amp to make it sound exactly like certain tube amps. As pointed out, it was absurd to expect people to be able to discern differences in a matter of seconds or minutes.
When I move my Shunyata cable around and listen - and voice is ALWAYS better, because most singers stand right at the mike. Wiat, let me qualify that: OLDER recordings with well-recorded singers (Ella, Nat King Cole, Sarah, Eileen O’Farrell, Callas, Leontyne Price), will do the trick. Using those recordings, I can move my cable and hear the loss of hard consonants (words ending in "d" or starting with "p" because, especially with a word starting in "P" the sound creates a sort of "aspirant." Just say the word "push" out loud: there is no way to say it without, literally, pushing air out of your mouth, whereas the word "thought" does not "push" air out. So, move the cable, play Ella Sings Cole Porter, or even music up to say, 1970, and you can easily hear the aspirant disappear. Leave it for an hour and try again. You will now hear the aspirant.

Cable are not rip-offs: people merely have incompetent dealers, more interested in selling than in educating their customers, and simply saying, "lets let this sit for 20 minutes or so" because the customer may simply leave.
Flowers don’t grow because you throw water on them: they take time. Nobody rushes a flower to bloom, or a foal to walk. They do it in their own time.
Cables also need TIME to settle. You don’t have to buy new ones to test this knowledge out: do it on your own system. Same with power cords (especially Shunyata because, I think, of the way the cable is woven. But I can hear it on my Nordost as well). And I buy from places where I can return the item if I don’t hear a sufficient increase in sonics. And many is the time I haven’t hard enough to warrant the purchase. But blaming the genre as a rip-off? You need better ears, and a knowledge of how live music sounds (or at least something that has not been multi-mixed at a console).
So, instead of "fake news," try acquiring something that you can put in your own system and do it the correct way. Insert. WAIT. Then listen.
Whereas, the listening experience used to be a relaxing one, when brick and mortar  establishments were the standard of the day - and dealers had actual knowledge - you could, assuming you knew anything - trust your ears. Now? The dealers are mediocre,  and their setups are poor. A nearby dealer has top of the heap electronics, and the worst setups, and yet he sells tons of ARC, Nordost, and others. Yet, he has no ears. I have a suck out around the lower treble, yet I can easily tell when something is wrong. In his setup,  it's ALL wrong. 
Bad setup will cancel out hearing what the equipment (including the cable) can do. Do you know the equipment well enough to assess the cable? One wonders.
You have to listen to something in order to ascertain something. It cannot be done on the fly. It takes time. Swapping out cables in a blind A/B test is nothing more than a parlor trick meant to beguile.




"Cables need to SETTLE."  Really...now they need to settle?  Is that after they are burned in?  Before they are "elevated?  Holy Moly!  I am still chuckling at the comparison with flowers growing.
gbmcleod-

nice point of view and I concur that most dealers/retailers have poor sounding rooms.  Happy Listening!
Yes, Dynaquest, "cables need to settle." 
And your comparison with flowers is quite apt, since my mother was an expert flower grower. And anyone who with any gardening experience past a 3- year olds (apologies to the expert younger gardeners) would have told you, the soil around the flower needs to be left alone. Surely you know that when you plant even a lawn, you are not supposed to walk on it until well after the grass has grown a bit. Soil should not be tamped down. All you have to do is read the bag to learn that. It's not a mystery.
So, in essence, you've answered your own question, although I suspect  you didn't intend to. And it sounds like you have not experienced the higher priced spreads and their quirks. They have quirks. Shunyata, on their website, even shows diagrams of how the cable should not slump, but should be perfectly level at all points. 
At some point, novices need to listen to more experienced users before registering  disbelief. And, my training was: do the experiment yourself to see the results (did you skip high school chemistry?) You also skipped the experiment, as recommended above, didn't you? Naughty boy. You get an "F".

Oh, and  speakers need to be PERFECTLY level, too. Not 1/8" off. PERFECTLY. Small inflections, inner detail will disappear. So dealer's showrooms are not the last word in authority. I'm sure that will cause  you chuckles, too. All for the good.  After all, laughter is the best medicine, non?