Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

Frogman, while there aren't many contributors to this thread, the quality of their contributions is higher than any other thread I've been on. I would like to know how many hits a day there are on this thread. Some people are like parasites, they take what they can get out of a forum, but never contribute anything. If that's the case we're making musical contributions for the many, and proof of that would lie in the number of hits compared to the number of contributions.

We're all quite satisfied with your contributions and special expertise, as it has been stated. While I certainly have 0 intentions of going to music school, I'm thankful for what I learn from your contributions.

Enjoy the music.

Rok, let me tell you a tru story about slaves here and their drums. At first the boss man didn't mind, and the drums had catchy rhythms, but when somebody told him, "Hey boss man, did you know they could talk with them drums"? That changed things; from that time on, the drum was outlawed. The very next night, "I thought I told yall to stop beatn them damn drums"! How can you have African music without a drum?

Enjoy the music.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time, therefore, I can jump and not jump. If that makes no sense, don't worry about it.

Frogman, when I see this, all the answers come to me. Billionaires who have all the wealth and power, enough power to make people in places all over this globe, jump when they say jump, can not experience the exuberance of these dancers. Although money and power gives them the ability to buy anything or anybody they want, they're bored because they can not feel anything, now their only pleasure comes from making as many people as possible, MISERABLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZvmx--91G0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvbXLDcGe0k



Enjoy the music.

Rok, I don't know where you get your facts. The premier of Bolero was a huge success. If by "riot" you mean the cheering of the crowd then you're right; if you mean that the "riot" was a sign of disapproval you are incorrect. I also don't understand on what you base comments such as:

****If it weren't for Bolero the guy would probably be unknown today****

That comment could not be further from the truth. "Bolero", while popular is considered one of Ravel's least important works. Are you familiar with his orchestration of "Pictures At An Exibition", "Daphnis et Chloe", "Concerto In G" and many others which are considered some of the greatest orchestral music ever written? Look, you probably feel that I am picking on you. That is not my intention, but you are making some comments which are only unsubstantiated but more than a little silly. Tchaikovsky would be unknown if it weren't for the 1812 Overture?!? You must be joking.

Re the latest Bolero clip:

Sorry, but no cigar. Why the insistence on choreographed versions of the piece? First of all, Bolero was not composed as accompaniment to choreography. When a piece of music is choreographed there will almost always be compromises made in the performance of the music; usually in the areas of tempo and dynamics in oder to suit the choreographer's vision. In this case the piece starts with way too much energy; especially the snare which should be much more subdued. Starting the piece with so much energy means that the dynamic contrast between the beginning and the end (which is what the piece is all about) will be compressed. The solos with the exception of the opening flute solo are not so great with some funky intonation and hesitation in spots. Here's a great Bolero (btw, notice how Muti actually stops conducting in some spots; a great conductor can do that):

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=-7ZBzIXoJDM
****Rok, let me tell you a tru story about slaves here and their drums. At first the boss man didn't mind, and the drums had catchy rhythms, but when somebody told him, "Hey boss man, did you know they could talk with them drums"? That changed things; from that time on, the drum was outlawed. The very next night, "I thought I told yall to stop beatn them damn drums"! How can you have African music without a drum?****

O-10, I am sure that you have heard the term Santeria.  Santeria is the religion that African slaves in Caribbean countries "synthesized" by giving their African gods Roman Catholic names in order to bypass the outlawing of their religion by their masters.  "How can you have African music without a drum"......How can you have your religion without your Gods?

While it would be ideal to understand the African influence on jazz from the standpoint of musical analysis (which makes it clear and obvious)
looking at this parallel might make it easier to understand the answer to your question; "the math". In answer to your specific question "How can you have African music without a drum"?  Easily,  the drum is the vehicle, the means to an end; it plays rhythms......so does any other instrument including the human voice.  THAT is how the African influence on jazz can be heard: the "blue" notes found in their native music and most importantly the "swing" feeling, the swagger and looseness; these are such a big part of the feeling of jazz as opposed to the more rigid or "square" feeling which is typical of the music of the European tradition.  Combine that swagger, "blue" notes with European melody and harmony and you get........jazz.  This does not take anything away from the fact that jazz is a uniquely American art form; it IS America's most important art from.  However, just as we like to say that America is a "melting pot" of cultures, why should it be any different re it's music.  I think that the issue of musical INFLUENCE is something that deserves much more understanding, not just as concerns African music and Jazz, but as concerns jazz in general; and, would be extremely informative as we look at various individual jazz artists. It lets the entire lineage make more sense.

We recently revisited the subject of Coltrane (it never goes away; nor should it).  I can't think of a better example of "influence" than this.  Coltrane on alto saxophone sounding amazingly like Bird himself.  When one listens to late Coltrane the Bird influence is much much harder to discern; he had taken that influence, fused it with his own vision and had taken off.  However, it takes more than the ability to simply recognize an alto compared to a tenor in order to hear the Bird influence when listening to later Trane.

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MGnY-axUH0U