Why receivers aren't worth the "competetive price"


With all the attention and interest (not to mention market share) that AV receivers get (even more so than speakers I presume), I have to wonder if anyone really cares about absolute sound quality for thier HT setup's!?!
I look at Bose, and how well they do, and tell myself "Marketing is everything!"...hummmmm.
Surely, if it's packaged well, reviewed heavily, advertised even more aggressively, etc, it's gunna be more succesful as a product, or in this case, a product line.
Let's face it, people like receivers! I've probably outsold receivers 20:1 over the years, over better separates based products in this business. And I mean, to be true, I'll conceed, that the allure of an all-in-on, "do-all" little sexy black box with nobs is a fun item to think about, tinker with, and have sitting in a rack. It's a strange pheonomina really. I've been there myself in the past,and have owned a few receivers personally...mostly, however, when I was just getting into all this stuff.
I mean, sure, don't get me wrong, receivers offer a lot of perceived value for what they offer, and for reasonable pricing on occasion. I'll grant that.
But truth be told, my experience over time has proven to me, time and again, that when it comes to absolute sound quality for today's HT/music multi-channel systems, separates still FAR OUTPERFORM receivers by a wide margin! Basically, a good separates system STOMPS the receiver in sound quality, even punishes it!...far more realistic, musical, pure, dynamic, resolved, better signal to noise, channel separtion, soundstaging, you name it! At least that's what I've found to be a "Biblical truth" in AV.
I've matched the biggest flagships from Denon, Yamaha, Marantz, Integra, B&K, even, yes, Arcam in the past with even modest power budget separates,(even drving receivers from their pre's is a step up!) and it's almost clockwork...the separates is just better. And to me, soundquality is EVERYTHING when it comes to the audio side of the equation. So to that end, I don't get it. Why aren't more people buying separates?! I mean, some of these receivers these days are more than $4500, even $6000!! Good night! Personally, I'd never pay even $1500 for ANY RECEIVER, cause I know the differnce, and I love audiophile grade sound. It's like Haggendas over store brand blue label ice cream, to me.
On more than a few occasion, just to check what the state of the current "receiver market" is doing, I've taken some of the hot market receiver pieces, and played with 'em, just for kicks and giggles, and my own edificaiton and knowledge. And every time, the receivers on their own have dissapointed...nothing special usually. Usually the amp sections are SEVERELY COMPROMISED, and the preamp section is lacking. And although the resolution has gotten better in these things lately, the overall sound qualiy still leaves it on the proverbial table! Personally, every time I play my system, I'm reminded of how good it is on the "non-receiver side of the fence!"
Anyone care to comment on "their receiver experience", possibly who've owned better separates, or separates based AV systems in the past? Otherwise, I'd like to know from you "receiver guys", what is it about owning an AV receiver, that does it for you!?!
flrnlamb

Maineiac, regarding your post:

Yesterday I go to a friends house to see his new plasma. He turns up his Sony receiver pushing his Bose speakers that are jammed up behind his hearth and tv stand. "Listen to that!" - with a big smile on his face. Is that a clue?

You gave me a laugh with that vivid tale. All of us music lover-audiophiles have had that happen at one time or another.

Truth is, they are as happy as those of us that blew the bank account. Lucky for them :^).
Maineiac, what would be better separates that meets the criteria, including IC's for $k?...Um, a used (new $600, used $300) 6.1 Yamaha receiver, driving a used Outlaw 100x7 ($500-600 used), with 4 pair of Harmonic Tech Percision Link at $50/pr used...that's option A
Option B: 5.1 system, Acurus ACT 3 w/ABM for $450 used,Acurus 125x5 used at $550, 4pairs of Monster 550i IC's for $25/pr (INFINITELY MORE POTENT FOR MUSIC OR MOVIES THAN ANY RECEIVER AT $1K USED OR NEW!!!)
Option C: Acurus ACT 3 $350 used, CS3X Jr, 6.1 add-on processor, $100 used, Acurus 125x5 used, $500(B condition), Acurus A80 2x80watt, $100 used, IC's Monster $100 used.
Option D: Rotel DD/DTS pre pro 5.1 (forgot model) for $400-500 used, Rotel 995 5x100 watt, $400 used.
Option E: Used Outlaw 950, $400 range used, Outlaw 100x7, IC's, many options...all around $1k used.
There's more, give me a few to think about it.
ALL OF THE ABOVE DESTROYS THE SOUND from any $1k receiver on the market, HANDS DOWN!!!!...at least 100% improvment in sonics, and WELL WORTH THE MONEY compared to ANY $1K RECEIVER!!!!....IMO, of course
As for someone loving their Bose system, that's great!
It's all just "toys", "stuff", and things...it's to be enjoyed. One person loves eating at McDonnalds all the time, vs. a dinner at WolfGang Puks.
However, when you get into this stuff as a Hobby, and that's what you love, you can't help but want a "faster race car!!!" It's like anything else. you start with the "starter kit", and end up with the WAY TOO EXPENSIVE, tweaked to the hilt, exotic race car!!!!...that you spent a small fortune on!
Othewise, if you just want "something", HT in a box is perfect...no worries....