Paradigm Personas: A First Listen


I thought starting a new thread would be more appropriate since it would allow for a more focused discussion.

I have Paradigm S8v2s and have owned them, since new, for 8 years.  I have lived with them happily and when I bought them I knew they were going to be a long term purchase.  Cables, sources etc may come and go but big speakers are harder to find, harder to move and sell (I think).  I found a local dealer (the only one in BC so far) that has the entire Persona line; except the 7F.  They had the 9H, 5F, 3F and Monitor.  I got to hear all of them.  The 9H was in a dedicated room set up for home theatre.  The others were in a 2 channel only system.  Preamp/source was a Cambridge Audio preamp with a media player built in, Wadia Class D amps.  System was nice, sounded good and not the "highest end" you would expect, but more real world.  I took along a CD of Parijat: Prayer to Love (excellent CD BTW.  Highly recommended and wonderfully recorded).  I am very familiar with the CD.  My system has its own room, Luxman Class A amps, Luxman preamp, Bryston DAC, Nordost and Wirewizard Cables.  I think my system has an edge on electronics, but I will leave that out as I think that is splitting hairs.

First speaker I heard was the 5F.  The first thing that is immediate is the midrange and treble purity, clarity, integration, smoothness and extension.  I definitely say there is no discontinuity between the mid/tweeter.  Having a Beryllium tweeter myself I know what to expect, and the 5F did not disappoint.  The sound was relaxed, clear, focused with excellent detail.  No harshness, grain, etch or sibilance at all.  Imaging was also excellent; focused, wide and deep with good height.  Note that the 5F, 3F were right beside each other and the Monitors on stands right beside the 3's.  They were in an open room not a dedicated room, so I could only suspect the speakers would sound better as the environment would get better.  In short, the tweeter/mid was superb.  The best I have heard.  I would give the edge to the Persona's over my S8's in this regard, but given the mid and tweeter are both Beryllium they are going to have identical resonances on the fact the material is the same; it will be homogenous.  The S8 is no slouch, so the differences are small, but I give the Persona the edge here.  And I like my S8's.  I have not felt wanting.

The description for the mid/tweeter is identical for each model; there was no difference, perhaps a slight difference for the Monitor but its limited lower end might of SEEMED things to be more clear/detailed.  Hard to say.  Bottom end on the 9H was robust, to be polite, but to be expected too.....4 8 inch cones internally powered...I think a subwoofer here would be redundant in all but the largest rooms to be sure.  But the snap, punch and detail were excellent.  Moving to the 5 and 3, the bottom end was not as prodigious but still extended and tuneful.  Detail was excellent but to be expected the 5 was more pronounced than the 3.  I think both (and the Monitor for sure) would benefit from a sub, but I leave that to the reader's personal taste.  There was no evidence of port noise or discontinuity of any type.  Unfortunately, I have yet to find out (if you would like to bi amp) WHERE the biamp crossover is.  I found out the hard way on my S8 it is between the tweeter/mid, not the mid/bass as you would expect.  This would allow for a Class A or tube amp on the all important mid/tweeter and a robust amp for the bottom end.  I would like Paradigm to be clear on this point as finding out the hard way for me was costly.  I let a good Bryston amp go for no reason other than the fact it was not able to work in my system as planned.  

I suppose the real question is this:  are they worth it?  Well, I thought about my own system on the drive home, and since my system's weak point is NOT the speakers, I would, for me, not buy or let my S8 go unless someone gave me a good offer.  The logistics of selling speakers that are 4 feet tall, almost 2 feet deep and 100lbs is not a small feat, and shipping (unless local pickup) will be expensive.  I bought the S8 knowing it was going to be with me for a long time, and in fact I would rather keep them since they are so good (to me).   But I would buy the Personas for sure.  The high end purity and midrange clarity, coherence and detail are so good I was floored by how good it was.  Bottom end weight and volume is a personal preference, and adding subs obviates the comparison there, as either the 5 or 3 would be a killer system with subs.  I had extended time with the 5 and 3 and the jump in price between the two makes sense if the sub is out of the equation.  I think the added bottom end on the 5 could easily be made up with the 3 and a good sub, think JL Audio f112, e110 or e112.  An outboard crossover as part of the deal would be stating the obvious (in fact the JL Audio CR 1 crossover is what I am eyeing next.  With this, should some time down the road come I decide to jump up to the Personas finances permitting, it would greatly affect what Persona I get).  But by then I might have a different room so whom knows, but so long as the flexibility is there you have options.  I was hoping to see the 7F but the 9H is almost identical in  size.  Considering the competition they are up against I think they hold very well.  Making a matching Beryllium tweeter and mid is no small feat, and costly to boot.  Moreover, Paradigm's size and economy of scale is such that you get more than you pay for, this has been a Paradigm hallmark.  A smaller company could bring out a matched Beryllium set, perhaps, but at what cost?  I can see why the Persona line costs more, but after seeing them and listening to them, I don't feel at all that they are overpriced or outrageous.  Obviously the sound is what counts, but there is more to it than that.  I honestly think you get what you pay for; the real trick is finding the goods out there that go a step further and really offer the "diamond in the rough".  For me personally, the cost and logistics of selling my current speakers is not something I can do right now.  But if I could, I would have no issue owning a Performa.  The 7F is what I have sought my sights on, but the 5F is no slouch.  As a smaller speaker, there is little to fault the 3F and add in a sub (or two)....watch out.  Even without subs, the 5 and the 3 are more than pleasant, and in a enclosed room where there is room reinforcement......it would be interesting to know.

Pictures do not do the speakers justice.  They are gorgeous.  Fit and finish is superb, certainly better than my S8. The lenses are really trick.  I don't think there should be any trouble with the WAF but their styling is a bit modern, some might not like it.  The room presence is not nearly as strong as you would think; the S8 being so deep and narrow hides in the room well.  The Personas do as well, but are so gorgeous you don't want to hide them.  You would think the 9H to be imposing, but that is not the case, especially if you are use to bigger speakers anyway.

I am very impressed and happy that the "step up" Paradigm has made has been done well, with thought, focus and obvious results.  As to relative to what is out there, especially to what I have heard, they compete favourable with much more expensive speakers, and I have heard Focals (which is another brand I like because, surprise, they have a Beryllium tweeter).  I just think the matching tweeter/mid, especially at the price, is hard to beat.  And I am sure that the better the gear upstream would only help the sound.  The 5Fs or 3Fs in my system with the gear I have would be very interesting.

Who knows what the year brings.  I give the Personas the highest recommendation, and this is from someone whom has owned a good pair for years without complaint.  If anyone is thinking of trying out a pair I urge you to do so if possible before making any decisions.  Paradigm, with the Personas, has truly evolved into a high end brand, and deserves consideration as such.  

 
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Not heard these yet. The woofer construction appears to be world class JL audio style for ultra low distortion at high SPL. This is serious engineering! Many loudspeakers and buyers seem to  underestimate how badly outsourced lower quality woofers can ruin the midrange (even expensive well done mid range like the accuton)

For sure worth a listen.
A pair of Avalon Edilions depending on which version were very expensive $30K plus speakers would of course they would sound better than a pair of Paradigm Signatures, in terms of cabinet inertness, and crossover and build  quality the Avalons are a much  more expensive design. 

The Signatures were a very good speaker but not a world class product.

As per the Personas it took us weeks to setup and tweak the speakers before they  came alive. They are very transparent and unless you have everything just right they will not sound magical, but if you spend the time to match the correct components with them, the results will be extra ordinary. 
Auditory, I was fortunate to purchase locally a pair of basic cherrywood Avalon Eidolons in 2012 for $11K. In my opinion $35K is in the "world class" neighborhood.

In my experience all the Paradigms I owned or auditioned at home were not very good speakers even for the money. They did go low and high for the money but they lacked cohesiveness and, while to a much lesser degree, the Persona continue that presentation. 

I've been told by much more experienced professionals than myself that the method by which Avalon and Vandersteen deal with time and phase has jaded my preference to their presentation. Hence my suggestion to the original poster to consider a pair of Vandersteen Treo CTs $8K and a pair of Velodyne DD-10 Plus $6.6K and spend the remaining $20K on a stunning turntable or a vacation.     




Mr. Dbm you may be jaded to the Treo CT presentation, however, many people are not, to even suggest a pair of Treos plus subs can equal the Personas is just silly. 

As per value per money and performance, all the Paradigms have had a reputation for offering terrific performance for the money as well as offering very good sound, for the price point they are hitting. 

We had a pair of the Signature S6 V3 and they were excellent speakers, for their price range around $7k, the earlier V2 were not as coherent, do they sound like a pair of Treos no, they don't they have a completely different sound and I would take a pair of Avalons over them as well they are not in the same league. 

The Personas are very coherent as the midrange and tweeter are both made out of Beryllium so they sound identical and very blended.

The Vandy sound is just that, some people like them while many others do not, what I find appalling is the how many people here put a particular brand on a pedestal and say that that one brand is above all others and nothing else can sound as real.

My posts about the Personas was they are not better than any other speaker but in some ways may outshine some of those other well respected brands, and to relate that they offer outstanding performance for the money in the price ranges they are hitting, which starts at $7k.

Can you imagine the accolades if Wilson or Magico produced a  technologically advanced product that started at $7k for a pair of bookshelves or $10k for a pair of floor standing loudspeakers. Everyone here would be blasting the forums with this exciting news, yet Paradigm is getting flack by people questioning if is is possible for a company which based their reputation for value now all of a sudden building a new and highly competitive flagship line. 

Sure we have tested them vs the other reference speakers we had in the shop and are featuring them due to their amazing level of performance for the money as well as for the sound quality which in certain ways, image holography and transparency can be compared to extremely expensive loudspeakers for $70k and above. 

Will you or anyone here who is a Vandy fan love the Persona sound, probably not, I would also think that that same person would not like a Magico, a Wilson, Focal, or YG. 

Horses for courses, 

Lets stop the product basing and brand bashing and have people go to the shops and just listen and then judge for themselves.

Go visit a few shops to see how you like the products setup with different gear to see if your opinion may change on what gear and how the speakers are being setup. 

When we were first exposed to the Paradigm Personas we were not impressed due to the particular dealers gear, cabling and source setup, but saw the speakers potential, and thus we ordered a pair.

It was only after weeks of setup and trying different things did the speakers blossom into the demo rig we have now. When ever you have a very transparent speaker you will be forced into working hard to balance the products transparency with enough warmth  to make the resulting demo setup to be musically satisfying 

You are welcome if you are in our part of the world to come and check out our rig who knows you may like it. 




Audiotroy.   Have you ever listened to a pair of Vandy Treo CT's with subs? I have, at length, and I can tell you NOT SILLY! It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to tell you the much better value would be the Vandy set up rather than the Paradigm Personas at 35k...