Feedback through turntable


My system consists of a McIntosh C2300 preamp, MC452 amp, MCD500 SACD player, VPI Aries 3D with Ortofon Cadenza MC cartridge, Manley ChinookSE phono stage, PS Audio P5, Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M speakers and REL B1 Sub bass system.  My issue is with turntable use only; SACD has no issues.  On my pre when volume is +55 (peak at 45watts) I start to get feedback through the turntable - a sort of low freq sound, back off volume and it goes away.  My Auditor M speaker is about 3 ft away and in front of turntable.  I do have a rumble filter (KAB) installed between preamp and phonostage to help with sub woofer pumping.  Due to room layout I cannot rearrange the setup/move turntable.  My turntable is on a 2.5" block of wood and that sits on 4 isolation blocks via spiked feet.  Any thoughts how I can eliminate this problem?  Harry Weisfeld with VPI states he has 4 15" woofers (JBL Everest) near his Prime Signature setup with no issues at all.  Why am I having this problem and how can I eliminate it?  Thank you in advance for all feedback.
miner42
13blm,

Your post last post should had been your initial post. I totally agree with you here.

stringreen,

You're coming from this by not considering the suspended floor aspect. From what I've seen on your virtual system page (last time I looked, 3 years ago?) you have a system that doesn't take the challenges the OP faces?
miner42,

I'm seriously considering posting my system on a virtual page just as a template..as I have most of your issues that I've overcomed!
@slaw.. you're funny, I like how particular you are. Yes, you are right, I do owe you thanks for bringing up the idea of springs. So thanks! 
Also for the idea of getting rid of rubber. That's where the wooden balls for rega feet idea stemmed from. I ended up doing that well before the springs and forgot that I got the idea from this thread.. I get them mixed up sometimes. 

So, how does it sound? 
Here are the changes I've made 'because' of this thread. They may not have been mentioned, but the ideas here got me thinking..
- removed 3/4" teak cutting board on inner tube used as iso platform, replaced with bigger 2" thick maple butcher block on inner tube. Sound became quieter, which, in the past I didn't like. But upon further analysis, the butcher block reduced feedback, which was why it was quieter. Recent upgrades in amps, PCs, SCs and ICs let me hear this difference more clearly.

Then I got rid of my rega rubber feet and used wooden balls in their place. I put a small piece of no slip carpet cushion under each ball to stop the turntable from sliding (a problem since my motor sits on the butcher block). This cleared up the sound. Mids and highs had better definition and more separation from each other and the bass. Oddly, this has resulted in a more coherent sense of music.

And finally, the springs. I replaced the inner tube with 4 springs from Grainger. They are ~9 lb/in rate. I tried three before I drilled counter sink holes, but the instability of three without being counter sunk led to a wobble that looked like the whole thing would fall over. So I never listened to just 3. Also, if I'd have wanted to go with 3, I'd have needed a higher spring rate, as the 3 were far to compressed.  Switching to springs has also improved sound clarity and has mostly led to better bass definition. It's cleaner and tighter.

Good stuff! 
Not suggested here, but removing the tt motor from the plinth and making a mount to put it on the butcher block made a YUGE improvement in sound too.
toddverrone,

Thank you for explaining your current changes. More importantly, how those changes affected your listening experience. This is what (it's) all about. Not (who) provides the info that leads to the changes, it's (the affirmation of the info and how it's affecting the change).

I'm glad you are enjoying a positive listening experience based upon the info you received from (all) involved with this thread!

Happy listening!
..just wondering..instead of the carpet padding under your wooden balls... have you considered maybe a wooden coaster (as in a drink coaster)?

Anyhow... You are on the right track. Thank you for posting, in more detail,  your experience!

Happy listening.