... As a rule most new electronics fail within 30 days (True for computers, etc.)I think this is mistaken. It's probable that what you really meant is that of electronic equipment that does fail, it is most likely to happen in the first 30 days. That's something I wouldn't dispute.
My Audio Research experience
To all you goners out there, here is my experience with Audio Research.
Approximately four years ago I purchased an AR Reference 75 power amp. It was on special at the time and I bought if from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia.
I used the amp for the rear channels of my home theatre system which I only use occasionally because I travel a lot for work and I mainly listen to music.
One night I switched the amp on and a white flash and burning smell came from the amplifier and it didn’t power up. I thought it may have been a tube, and because I had no spares, I reported the problem to my Brisbane dealer and via email to Audio Research. A copy of the reply sent from AR on the 5th March 2016 follows:
'Thank you for choosing Audio Research and the REF75. I suspect you had an internal tube arc. The internal tube short can also take out a plate or screen resistor. So just replacing the tube will not fix this problem. The resistors also need to be replaced. You can confirm this by checking the bias for this tube. If the bias reads zero, a resistor is open. This is an easy repair that our distributor in Australia can do.
The SE update for the REF75 comes with a complete new set of tubes including a new set of KT150s. This is the only way it is sold. If you so choose, Our Australian distributor can also install this SE upgrade for you while the amp is in for repair.'
I then proceeded to order some more tubes to see if a replacement tube would fix the problem.
I ordered the following tubes:
2 x Electro-Harmonix 6H30Pi Gold with Matched Triodes (Balanced)
4 x KT150 Power Vacuum Tube - [Matching (10+ tubes)]
4 x KT120 Power Vacuum Tubes - [Matching (10+ tubes)]
When they arrived, I tried the new tubes but they didn’t fix the problem as the amplifier failed to switch on. I then contacted my dealer and freighted the amplifier to Brisbane for repair. This was done in June of last year. I included all of the above tubes in the package in case they were needed. I also would have liked the amp to be upgraded to SE status using the tubes supplied if possible.
In September/October last year I enquired about the status of the repair and before Christmas enquired again. After again emailing AR, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor who told me that the service agent in Brisbane had been trying to get parts for the wrong amplifier and that the amplifier would be transported to Melbourne for repair. I asked them to get me a price for the upgrade using my tubes.
In January/February of this year, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor and had to supply proof of purchase because there was a dispute over whether the amplifier was in fact under warranty when the fault occurred. I again asked about getting the upgrade using the supplied tubes which were still with the repair agent in Brisbane. Eventually I was told that I could have the upgrade using AR tubes only, for the heavily discounted price of $3,000 Australian. Nothing like gouging your customers!!!!!! Especially when I could have bought a small car for the original cost of the amplifier in Australia.
I chose to just get the original amplifier repaired under warranty which I was told needed a new main circuit board. This week my amplifier finally arrived back home after nearly 12 months away for a repair under warranty. The original tubes have been put in a box with ‘Faulty Old Tubes,’ written on the box. The tubes I sent with the amplifier have not been returned, and no replacement tubes have been included.
I am amazed that the initial fault destroyed six tubes, so I have asked how the Distributor tested the tubes to determine that they were faulty. I am now left with an amplifier that doesn’t work and 10 expensive vacuum tubes missing somewhere in Australia. I am also left with a conundrum, if when I finally get my tubes back and use them to ensure the amplifier works, what happens if it doesn’t. Will AR then blame me for any fault that occurs on power up because I haven’t purchased tubes from them at their heavily marked up prices????
For me I will never touch another Audio Research product for as long as I reside on this planet. I will be telling all my audiophile friends and putting this report on every forum that will publish it. Best of luck for the future Audio Research and may you drown in your policy mess!!!
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jetter Everyone knew what he meant without you pointing out that he phrased his sentence incorrectly.That's fantastic that you know what everyone thinks! |
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I've been watching this thread with considerable head-shaking. I too, loved the performance of my ARC gear but like a Lotus, it required regular service and fresh tubes. Frankly, it's no longer necessary to buy unreliable cars to enjoy extremely high performance. Ditto for HiFi; it's not 1965 any longer. In the interest of integrity, I must disclose the fact that I am the co-owner and CEO of the Bob Carver Company. To avoid a commercialized announcement, I will simply state some facts and make no claims regarding sound. Furthermore, there are fine solid-state brands that are quite reliable. Bel Canto and Halo come to mind but there are many others. We choose to stick with tubes due to the potential for great midrange transparency and sound staging. Audio Research excels in those attributes. I love their products and their contribution to our culture cannot be over estimated. Given my involvement in a competitor, I cannot, and will not, discuss their reliability issues as I have no data other than hearsay. That said, our ampifiers have a minimum of a ten year warranty INCLUDING TUBES. Minimum? Well, as long as Bob and I live, no one will ever pay for a repair. No receipt necessary. Transferable warranty forever. Additionally, our buy-sell agreement is with Jordon Gerber, our brilliant junior partner (and, like Bob, a degreed physicist) with a stipulation that he will continue the same policies. To prove our mettle, we have an on-board tube checker at full voltage--get a bad reading, get free tubes. Want to roll your own? Biasing is easy, quick and fun. You don't even need matched tubes! No printed circuit boards. No chips. Hand wired with conventional components, albeit custom caps, but you can surely find audiophile-grade replacements on the web. Gigantic power without heat; all components last longer. The tubes do not get very hot and one can place one's hand on the top of the KT120s or 150s, all day and never get burned. By using proprietary circuitry, we control bias and distortions without depending on excess feedback. The result is a lowering of measurable distortions by a full magnitude and an indeterminate tube life--expect around 50 years. It's a Bob innovation. No sonic degradation. As a result, we have no service department at all. There's only been a single failure during my tenure. Our failure rate is well under 1% LONG TERM. My goal when I ran Onkyo in the '70s, when they had the most reliable mid-fi line, was under 1% based on the warranty claims during the first 90 days. Our Carver failure rate is superior to solid-state! We've given out three tubes in five years. How do they sound? I refuse to comment and refer to reviews and even other manufacturers who, in some cases, compete with us yet extoll our virtues. I don't know forum rules; if I'm allowed, I'll provide some incredible endorsements. In any case, ignore all commercial propaganda, even mine, and listen for yourself. My reason for posting is to bring you up to the 21st century; we are not the only tube-type vendor offering reliable product with actual fuses where they belong while not harming the sound. I find it astounding that a designer would claim fusing is destructive when they utilize PCs. Why not buy components that actually allow you to relax and listen to your music instead of suffering anxiety as your tubes degrade hour after hour? Yes, people bought two Lotuses so one could enjoy sporting driving while the other was in the shop--in 1965. See you guys at Axpona Chicago in a couple of weeks. Feel free to call for more details. Frank Malitz 847-668-4519--any day. |
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