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INTERNAL CABLING- Heres some choices, give me your two cents on these cables..... Please _

So here is what I'm working on.
The cabling in my Mirage M1's is 12 gauge zip cord, that has oxidized and turned green at the terminations. Problem is I don't have a huge amount of cash to spend on new cabling, as I've spent most my money on replacing the existing caps in the crossover, with Jantzen superior and Standard Z caps (theres like 20 caps in each crossover).  I need close to 50 feet for the two speakers and I only have 75-120 to spend on the cabling, this is a shoe string situation. I can't stand the idea of leaving the green cables in there.-

So here is what I have considered, Please let me know your thoughts on each of these-

1. Jantzen = Constructed of 2 conductors, 1 x red and 1 x black, AWG 17.

The Copper is oxygen free 99.9999% pure, solid core. Both conductors are individually polyethylene coated and padded out with stranded isolating fibres the wrapped in polyester tape and further encased in blue termoplastic casing.

My concern with the Jantzen is the size, its only 17 awg, My experience has been the Mirages are power hungry speakers and like big cables. I have big Tara Lab temporal continuum cables running them. Even the zip cord in side them is 12 awg, going 17 AWG makes me nervous. Any comments on this is appreciated.


2. Audioquest type 2, type 4, or G2, X2, Q2

Not sure if any of these are worth their cost. Wondering how much better the type 4 is than the type 2 or how much better the type 2 is over the G2, X2 or Q2.      audioquest.com/flat_series_bulk_spools/q2


3. Belden 9497- Dont know much about this cable, I have heard other people have had good results but not sure seems like the size isnt all that I would like.

4. Canare 4s11, again dont know much about these cables but I've heard a lot of good things about them for their price.

5. Ive looked at the Duelund, but they appear to be only sold in single strands, and the cost for the amount required.

6. Curious about Vandenhul  (VDH) cables, I am interested in the Snowline and the Skyline, However I haven't been able to find anything on these cables.          vandenhul.com/products/cables/speaker-cables


What I want to know is

1.  Has anyone had experience with these cables, whats your thoughts on them being used as internal cabling for a pair of Mirage M1's?

2. Is 17 Awg on the Jantzen cables big enough to effectively drive the 8 inch bass drivers on the M1's?

3. Has anyone used the the Vandenhul  cables that use carbon, whats your thoughts on their overall presentation, are they neutral, detailed, dull, bright, etc?

4. Is all the hype about using solid conductors over stranded true-?


As always thanks to all who give their two cents-



My system overall, 

Proceed Amp3 (eventually I will bi amp with a second one)

Proceed AVP-S

Mirage M1

Tara Labs temporal continuum Speaker cables

Audioquest Diamond interconnects

Musical Fidelity Vdac w/ J-RIVER (coming soon)







idahifi
timlub
2,039 posts
 
Just looked up the Supra, Madisound sells it...
several wire gauge sizes,  from 15 to 12 gauge....$1.04 to about $4 a foot.
I have heard good things about this cable for years, but haven't tried it... For internal cabling, I would go for the Belden, sooo much bang for the buck, but if you lean toward the Belden 9497 for long runs of speaker cable, the 12 or 13 gauge Supra is a very good alternative.  The Supra and Belden 9497 cables should all be more laid back sounding than the Belden 5000UE. It is a stage forward, up front cable,  it never gets aggressive and its detailed... 2 different flavors.  Plenty reviews out there on the Supra and Belden 9497. 
I hope this helps,  good, luck.  Tim
idahifi OP
100 posts
 
Tim, Thanks for that info, where is a good place to buy belden. Being highly counterfeit perhaps eBay is not the best place to purchase it.
Also you mentioned that you almost used both the 5000ue and the 9497, what stopped you?
timlub
2,039 posts
 
Well really,  I just didn't want to spend the money on both and I saw so many looks for the 9497 and didn't want to buy a large bulk.  I found this link on ebay, he still has some.  Remember, this is a stiff cable... The 9497 is an enchanting cable to listen to, but not everyone likes that laid back pretty type sound. The 5000UE is a smooth, more dynamic cable.   If I could have found small qty of 9497 that I trusted, I would have used it on the mid or tweeter or both. But, I've been happy building with this Belden.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BELDEN-5000UE-12AWG-2COND-SPEAKER-CABLE-100-/151699645299?hash=item235200e37...
idahifi OP
100 posts
 
Thanks I appreciate it


fjn04
1,561 posts
 
I'm now using Belden 9497 for internal cabling on my Altec Valencia's. I run a Werner Jagusch Crossover outboard with the 9497 going from crossover to woofers and horns. I have the Duelund 16 Awg in another system as main speaker cable on Harbeth's. I like both, but have yet to compare them directly. I look forward to trying the Duelund in my main system in place of the 9497. I can concur with the above opinion that the 9497 is on the laid back side of the fence.
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