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INTERNAL CABLING- Heres some choices, give me your two cents on these cables..... Please _

So here is what I'm working on.
The cabling in my Mirage M1's is 12 gauge zip cord, that has oxidized and turned green at the terminations. Problem is I don't have a huge amount of cash to spend on new cabling, as I've spent most my money on replacing the existing caps in the crossover, with Jantzen superior and Standard Z caps (theres like 20 caps in each crossover).  I need close to 50 feet for the two speakers and I only have 75-120 to spend on the cabling, this is a shoe string situation. I can't stand the idea of leaving the green cables in there.-

So here is what I have considered, Please let me know your thoughts on each of these-

1. Jantzen = Constructed of 2 conductors, 1 x red and 1 x black, AWG 17.

The Copper is oxygen free 99.9999% pure, solid core. Both conductors are individually polyethylene coated and padded out with stranded isolating fibres the wrapped in polyester tape and further encased in blue termoplastic casing.

My concern with the Jantzen is the size, its only 17 awg, My experience has been the Mirages are power hungry speakers and like big cables. I have big Tara Lab temporal continuum cables running them. Even the zip cord in side them is 12 awg, going 17 AWG makes me nervous. Any comments on this is appreciated.


2. Audioquest type 2, type 4, or G2, X2, Q2

Not sure if any of these are worth their cost. Wondering how much better the type 4 is than the type 2 or how much better the type 2 is over the G2, X2 or Q2.      audioquest.com/flat_series_bulk_spools/q2


3. Belden 9497- Dont know much about this cable, I have heard other people have had good results but not sure seems like the size isnt all that I would like.

4. Canare 4s11, again dont know much about these cables but I've heard a lot of good things about them for their price.

5. Ive looked at the Duelund, but they appear to be only sold in single strands, and the cost for the amount required.

6. Curious about Vandenhul  (VDH) cables, I am interested in the Snowline and the Skyline, However I haven't been able to find anything on these cables.          vandenhul.com/products/cables/speaker-cables


What I want to know is

1.  Has anyone had experience with these cables, whats your thoughts on them being used as internal cabling for a pair of Mirage M1's?

2. Is 17 Awg on the Jantzen cables big enough to effectively drive the 8 inch bass drivers on the M1's?

3. Has anyone used the the Vandenhul  cables that use carbon, whats your thoughts on their overall presentation, are they neutral, detailed, dull, bright, etc?

4. Is all the hype about using solid conductors over stranded true-?


As always thanks to all who give their two cents-



My system overall, 

Proceed Amp3 (eventually I will bi amp with a second one)

Proceed AVP-S

Mirage M1

Tara Labs temporal continuum Speaker cables

Audioquest Diamond interconnects

Musical Fidelity Vdac w/ J-RIVER (coming soon)







idahifi
timlub
2,039 posts
 
Idahifi    I would not stress over the resistors like you would the caps.... Once you get to a very good resistor, you will get good results... I've used mundorf, lynk, mills and Vishay/dale all with good results... As grannyring said, the Mills are very good and they are also my go to resistor,  but the better grade resistors just don't have the dramatic differences that caps do... You have picked excellent caps.... I've looked at M1 crossovers in the past,  they really are not bad stock,  get rid of and replace the electrolytics with a decent MKP,  put those Jantzen's in key areas, replace the resisters with a good non inductive, re wire and you will have a wonderful speaker.
timlub
2,039 posts
 
idahifi,    I don't want to confuse you with what is said between grannyring and myself.  Neither of us are steering you wrong.... He is looking strictly at the purist DIY point of view.... I am looking at cost vs performance...
I just don't want it to sound like there is any type of argument.
Bill, I've read your post for the past several years and always consider you giving practical and sound advice.
timlub
2,039 posts
 
one last response @idahifi then I believe that I have given you all the advice that I have without a further question... I said all of your wire choices would perform well,  I re read your post and saw that you were consider snowline... I have used that also,  I found it thin on top and not very good in dynamics,  so I stand corrected on my earlier comment.
mechans
3,048 posts
 
Focal of JM labs Focal sells it's own preferred cable  which is VERY INEXPENSIVE zip cord find whole spools on Amazon.  Various gauges from $15.99/100 ft.- 14 AWG..
idahifi OP
100 posts
 
I'm not confused between the discussion. I realize that the duelund may have some advantage over belden, however as mentioned, cost is an issue and what I need is the best bang for the buck. However I appreciate the rhetoric in the duelund because sometimes things change I could come into money or at a later time have the same task and would be interested and able to afford the duelund.
 I probably will replace those resistors and check out those mills resistors.

For now I need to decide whether to put the 9497 on the mids and tweets, or just use the 5000 thru out. I'll probably purchase a little of both and try it from the amp to the speakers, just to see which I like better. 
Would you know how long the burn in time is for the belden.
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