Class D is just Dandy!


I thought it was time we had a pro- Class D thread. There's plenty of threads about comparisons, or detractors of Class D.

That's fine, you don't have to like Class D amps, and if you don't please go participate on one of those threads.

For those of us who are very happy and excited about having musical, capable amps that we can afford to keep on 24/7 and don't require large spaces to put them in, this thread is for you.

Please share your experiences with class D amps!
erik_squires
So, let’s get into some meaningful spec-manship. Let’s compare the frequency response, and output impedance (8 / output impedance = damping factor) of ICEPower and nCore to see about what could matter with different speakers.

Here are the source docs I start with:

Ncore docs:

https://www.diyclassd.com/documenten/download/860

ICEPower :

http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/files/solutions/icepower250aspdata.pdf

I’ll use a couple of examples. My own custom built speakers which have around 9 Ohms of impedance at the top octave, and ESL’s which are basically giant capacitors, and murderously low impedance at the top octave often near 0.3 Ohms.  I should point out most SS amps have coils at the output to protect from hyper-sonic oscillation. This coil acts as a low pass filter and will cause the frequency response to droop at the top octave. This is not by itself unusual or ONLY about Class D amplifiers.

Using a "normal" speaker like mine let's examine how the output impedance changes response at the 20kHz mark:

nCore: -0.003 dB
ICEPower: - 0.3 dB

0.3 dB isn’t inaudible.... but VERY subtle. Below this, in the bass where many speakers get difficult to drive, there’s only tiny differences in response. Certainly better than most tube and zero feedback SS amps. This is a small difference which fits well within the idea of "system matching" an amp to personal preferences, speakers and room tuning.

But let’s take an extreme case of an ESL which has around 0.3 Ohms in the top octave:

nCore: -0.08 dB
ICEPower: -6 dB

This is a case where the nCore could make a very significant, audible difference when playing the same speakers.

My point to this is, based on specs, both modules will perform very well with normal loads. Any differences in the top octave may be inaudible, or useful.

This is one example of where I think specs and technology can help us understand how to match an amplifier with our system better.

Best,


E
Following on, at 200 Hz the output impedance is 10x better with nCore, but the absolute figures are tiny. The difference in output between a high and low impedance speaker is less than 0.01 dB.

Most "normal" speakers get very difficult to drive in the bass, not the treble, so for these owners, I think nCore and ICEPower are equivalent and subject to personal preference.

If you have an ESL though, I would really expect the nCore to over perform.

Best,


E


I am with you Erik, I have not experienced yet an amp based on ICEpower technology as mesmerizing as NCore NC1200.... THis includes my old beloved Rowland M312 based on ICEpower 1000ASP. See my review of Merrill Veritas on PFO:


http://positive-feedback.com/Issue68/merrill_audio.htm

On the other hand, not wanting to mortgage the future.... I have hardly heard heard all ICepower amps on the market, nor I can venture what ICEpower might do in the future.


For one thing, I have heard very good things about the little Rowland M125.... I It is based on a current generation ICEpower, and delivers 125W per channel in stereo mode, and 500W bridged.... Apparently super sweet... But I have not heard it yet.


Best, G.

 


Hi Erik,

     I just started reading your last post and clicked on your 1st link.  I took me to this Audiogon forum page instead of the diyclassd page I think you intended.

Thanks,
  Tim
Hi Tim,

I just tested it. It actually is a PDF download, so check your download files. :)

Best,

E