Amp current - how much high current to go for


Hi All,

        Some of you may remember me from a while back talking about my NuPrime IDA-8.   After three months of break in and a fat ass Silnote power cord it's significantly better but still not where I need it to be to drive my pair of Kudos C2.   I think it's time to move on to a better high current amp.  My question is, how much current do I need to go for.  For example, I've been eyeing

Parasound Halo Integrated - 45 amperes max

NAD M3 - 50 amperes max

Parasound Halo A21 - 60 amperes max

B&K EX-440 (vintage) - 70 amperes max

Mark Levinson No331 - ? amp max

Thank you ahead for the education.

P.S.  I missed out on a deal with Cullen's Cable or else would've got with Patrick instead of Silnote.  Patrick is really a nice guy, highly recommend talking to him if anyone is interested in a power cable.

hifineubee
Thanks all for your thoughts.  I bought the Kudos C2 based on my listening experience of the X2.  In between I did live with a B&W 805N for six weeks before i had to give it up due to woofer distortion.  Maybe I simply got too used to the B&W sound characteristics.
However, I do notice that with the NuPrime I loose clarity the higher volume I go.  At 55 volume (the amp has 1-99 volume settings in 0.5db increments) setting the sound quality is good but going past 65 the sound starts to get muffled, could it be because of sound wave resonance in my small listening area of 11 x 14 x 9?  Also when I play classical music or John Williams orchestra music, I have to raise the volume setting to around 85 to get just same sound volume as I play pop song at 55 volume setting.  It baffles me why I have to raise the volume setting so much higher but my real issue is that still then I don't get much oomph when playing Beethoven 5th or Davrok New World symphony.  Is it an amp issue or speaker issue you guys think?  I would think with 100RMS and 7in woofer it'd blow my ear drums but I'm not getting that listening experience.
The reason you have to raise the volume much higher on the classical works you mentioned than on pop recordings is that the classical recordings have much wider dynamic range than the pop recordings. Dynamic range in this context refers to the difference in volume between the loudest notes and the softest notes. Most pop recordings are compressed to very narrow dynamic ranges, while many classical recordings, especially of symphonic works, have far greater dynamic range. Our hearing mechanisms tend to sense volume based on the average level, rather than peak levels (especially if the peaks are brief, as they are on many classical works). So for a given setting of the volume control a recording having limited dynamic range will sound louder than one having wide dynamic range, since a recording having limited dynamic range will have an average level that is closer to the peak level than in the case of a recording having wide dynamic range.

I’m not sure, though, why the sound starts to get muffled above the 65 setting, or why you don’t get much "oomph" on the symphonic works. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find an impedance curve for the speaker, showing how its impedance varies as a function of frequency, which might have been helpful in addressing this question. FWIW, though, I did find one thing that might point in the direction of the speaker as being the culprit, and another thing that might point in the direction of the amplifier.

Re the speaker, from this review:
We’re not going to be too critical of the need for careful system-matching, but we do have to mark the C2s down for a bass performance that’s just a touch vague. Tracks that rely on deep thumps for drive reveal a slight lack of bite and tautness in the low-levels.
Re the amp, I see that its 8 ohm power rating of 100 watts is identical to its power rating for 4 ohms, which is not encouraging in the case of a solid state amplifier. Although it’s hard to extrapolate useful information from that fact without an impedance curve for the speaker.

In any event, good luck as you proceed. Regards,
-- Al

IMO, any solid state amp that is worth its salt should double the power into 4 ohms,or come close to it!
yogiboy
Any solid state amp that is worth its salt should double the power into 4 ohms,or come close to it!
Sorry, but I don't think that's true at all. For example, many McIntosh SS amplifiers use autoformers on the output, so they are rated to deliver the same power regardless of speaker impedance, provided the correct output tap is used. These amplifiers aren't exactly my preference, but I do think they are "worth their salt."

Another example would be Audio Research's DS450, which I think is out of production. These were rated at  450W into 8 ohms and 650W into 4 ohms. I have heard these amplifiers and they sounded a-m-a-z-i-n-g for what they are. Class D, too!