Jazz for aficionados
O-10, from the same period and if someone forced me at gunpoint to pick my favorite Miles record this would be it. Amazing rhythm section; Tony Williams kills and Wayne Shorter is on fire. As far as I am concerned this is some of the very best jazz on record. Highly recommended/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWdTXy80Lk&list=PLCB9AD592FDC73455 |
Rok, in the interest of civility, I will end the nonsense in this discussion by leaving you with this (arrogant) little nugget which will hopefully highlight the differences in attitude and approach to all this. From my vantage point, one is positive and forward looking while the other is negative, cynical and adds little of substance: As has already been pointed out this all began (this time round) with the Kaplan article. I expressed my disagreement with some of the points he made (one in particular) and you went on to bash the guy and call him a farce without a single specific substantive point of disagreement and only blanket condemnation. I pointed out that KOB has probably introduced. more audiophiles to jazz than anything else. You then take that comment as an opportunity to bash audiophiles. Gee, I thought it was a positive that audiophiles might be exposed to jazz. Importantly, in all the subsequent audiophile-bashing in this discussion, not once was the other reason that KOB has become an audiophile fave mentioned: it sounds so darn good (as well as being fairly accessible and good jazz). Then the attempts at comparing KOB to SE began; a good and potentially interesting exercise. I made it very clear that I consider BOTH records to be excellent and described with some (believe me, there is far far more) detail why, in some ways, I consider one to be better than the other. What could possibly be more evenhanded than that? You disagreed with some of my specific disagreements; fine, no problem. However, all you can offer is more audiophile bashing and simple "I like it better". That's fine too, but in the process you dismiss logic and the irrefutable. As I have pointed out there is a lot of nuance involved in all this and to undertand it makes one a better judge of not only the music, but of ulterior motives one may have for insisting on keeping oneself in one "camp" or another. Cheers, and my fee is always negotiable :-) |
"Really, what is the point of making a case for why one really good apple is better than a really good pear?" "Then the attempts at comparing KOB to SE began; a good and potentially interesting exercise." Each of the above statements were made by either Rok or The Frogman. Who made which statement? Get it right and you win all my Kenny G cassettes, and a NM DVD of LULU!! No peeping!! Hint: It seems inconceivable that both could be made by the same person. Cheers |
First, Rok said this: "Millions of people saying "I like it better", is why it's the best selling Jazz album of all time!!! It does cut it!!" Then The Frogman said: "Importantly, in all the subsequent audiophile-bashing in this discussion, not once was the other reason that KOB has become an audiophile fave mentioned: it sounds so darn good (as well as being fairly accessible and good jazz)." Oooops!!! There he goes again!! Cheers |
The Frogman said: "As has already been pointed out this all began (this time round) with the Kaplan article. I expressed my disagreement with some of the points he made (one in particular) and you went on to bash the guy and call him a farce without a single specific substantive point of disagreement and only blanket condemnation" I say: I introduced the Kaplan article. Said it was interesting. Suggested we all read it. Then, after a little Wiki, found out he was in the Les Aspin Sec Defense. Do a little research on the incident known as "Blackhawk Down". That's Les in action. Never mentioned anything negative about Kaplan in relation to KOB or any other music. Suggested he might be another Tony Cordesman. My comments were off topic, but not about KOB or music. Damn!! I think we have a problem right here is "Aficionado" City!! Cheers |
