Jazz for aficionados

That was one of the funniest movies I ever saw, with some of the best "Soul music" I ever heard.

Apparently, it's time for "Down and dirtY"; you guys don't even know the time span, or jazz musicians who were influenced by "Bird and Diz". I use the two because they are responsible for what's called "Modern Jazz"; they "can not" be separated; try "Bird Diz" music and influence. Read what Lennie Tristano has to say about this music.

Since Miles couldn't wait to catch up with "Bird and Diz" in 1944, the music they were working on was before then, which means it covers quite a time span. It was a mass movement from swing to "Be-Bop", which slid into "Hard-Bop" and "Modern-Jazz". The ease with which all of this merged into "Modern-Jazz", the catch all for the jazz of a few decades is astounding.

So many of "Your" favorite musicians give "Bird and Diz" credit for their inspiration; I'll let you name them; but when you compare Miles "Revolution" in jazz which was not universally approved, to Diz,n Birds "Mass Movement" to something as broad as "Modern Jazz", you will find that Miles comes up way short when we look at "The Big Picture."

Regarding 'soul'....Orpheus, it seems that you are following that old moto ’who ever is not with me, is against me’.
Personally, my perspective about music in general or about other people’s choices is little bit wider than my own musical taste.
With little bit of tolerance toward others, we could avoid such ’discussions’.

Very well said, Alex; as usual, you are more of a gentleman than I. Ok, perhaps as O-10 says it is time for "down and dirty". Let’s get "down and dirty"; shall we?

The psychology behind some of this is truly fascinating if more than a little twisted. Here we have an individual that is so personally invested, for egotistical reasons, in being some sort of authority on the subject of jazz that he completely misses the most important and fundamental ingredient in the music: the creative spirit which, at its core, is about openness of mind to new ideas. But, no, the fantasy jazz-reality based on mistaken or incomplete ideas that he has constructed for himself and has become such a huge part of his personal identity cannot possibly have been flawed all these years. Facing this possibility is so difficult that he is willing to destroy the very forum that he started for sharing and discussing the music that he claims to love so much. And destroy it he will by insulting and alienating those who have a different point of view from his and which all evidence shows is much closer to the truth than his point of view. Better to destroy it than to have to deal with having been mistaken about anything that has to do with his personality calling card..."Aficionado". And, yes, all this bulls#% IS one of the main reasons that there aren’t more contributors to this thread. Not that, as he claims, as yet another example of the need to stroke his ego, it is that there are only a select few that have the "insight" or "knowledge" or open window to the "soul" of jazz; a select few that will be smaller and and smaller in numbers until this thread is no more.

O-10, IT WAS you who started this most recent squabble and proceeded to feed it. You asked a question and then proceeded to insult and demean those who factually and in a good spirited way expressed a different point of view from yours. You then, as is usual, proceeded to create smoke screens around your reasons and justifications for your divisive behavior by making statements about things that have nothing to do with the original questions; and you continue to do so. I could address these point for point, but not only am I tired of this, but its all pretty obvious if you just go back over the exchanges. As far as I am concerned you owe everyone here an apology. As always, all this in the hope that this thread can be better than this.

You are right 0-10, I am a jerk 1st class and because the old axiom "takes one to know one" is true,  ,truth be told, I am just jealous that you are the only other full-fledged jerk that has ever surpassed even me .