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$85.000 & 65.000 Amps  The extreme high gone nuts
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"We all have a stake in what each other does. It's the basis of family, community, nationality and ultimately humanity. No man's an island."

I agree with this statement on a personal level. Unfortunately not everyone sees things as we bleeding hearts do Onhwy61, it is an idealistic view. My point was as a simple transaction, between two parties what is the problem? One could make a similar comment regarding a component or product that is a fraction of the 85K figure above, say 5K, would it then be an issue? It certainly would be just as unreachable or unrealistic a price to pay for the vast majority of  people on this planet.

Your point about a sexual transaction between a 13 year old child and an adult is immoral and illegal and is not equivalent in any way to   a sales transaction of an 85K amp between two adults. So far as drugs being legal, I just wonder how much more effective our resources would be if we spent the money on educationing our children on the perils of drug use, a plan similar but expanded to the "just say no" campaign of the 80's. Where is the leadership? 

To your greater point Bdp24 the unfortunate fact of our Republic and  the democracy at large is that folks often come to the point  that they don't want to pay for the benefits  provided for all, time to drain that swamp!  Often their views are skewed by special interest forces that have a completely unrelated agenda.  Many would rather be an island, it gives them a sense of control in a world that  gradually seems to be losing it's bearings.   Why should a wealthy person that can  afford any health care plan he chooses or afford to send his child to any school he wants be obligated  to pay for the inefficiencies of what is currently available?  It seems history, economics and ethics might be additional required classes for all of us. It is just remarkable the degree of ignorance in our wealthy nation and it seemingly is getting worse. When almost 50% of the adult population can not name at least one Supreme Court Justice how can they possibly understand the importance of the Supreme Court in our system of Government?

PS Onhwy61 to your question about arms an drugs why shouldn't a private citizen, by rights provided by the 2nd amendment, be permitted to purchase any weapon he chooses? Why not an M60, why should we be limited?
Tubegroover, I as well thought the attempted analogy of minors exploited and forced into sex trafficking compared to financially able adults engaging in perfectly legal retail purchasing/commerce was a poor one.
Since the advent of the Johnson era "Great Society " trillions of dollars have been spent and redistributed with sadly little to show for this massive effort. After 5 decades of this experience I believe that enough data sampling is available to judge the benefits honestly.
Charles

Actually Charles, it really began with Roosevelt’s New Deal, which was a massive undertaking, at great cost, to save the U.S. from the great Depression. Republicans/Conservatives have been trying to erase it since the 1950’s!

tubegroover, my sister had a husband (now deceased) who was blind, the result of at a young age picking up a blasting cap on the farm he grew up on in Oregon. On one drive into Portland my sister commented on some new bike lanes which had been installed on some streets (bikes are huge in Portland--odd with all the rain), which outraged him. "Why should I have to pay for them?" was his comment, for the obvious reason. I was tempted to ask him why other taxpayers should have to pay for the public High School his 20-year old was still going to. The kid was on his third try at making it through his senior year. The husband was a very loud, argumentative, opinionated watcher of a certain cable TV news station (I better not name it---might ruffle the censor’s feathers). There was no such thing as a civil discussion with the guy. Don’t miss him at all, especially as was also not nice to my sister.

Well Charles I respect your opinion but I think plenty of good has come from both the Great Society and the New Deal. Seniors have better access to health care and aren’t living in abject poverty with much shorter life spans as they were before. If we eliminate these programs, or dramatically scale them back as many want, I feel in ALL fairness that all Government provided pension and health care plans including Military be eliminated/scaled back accordingly as well, that means you too Congress. Let’s REALLY drain the swamp and quit pussy footing around. The point is that people want what they say they don’t it’s just they either don’t want to pay, they pay too much or someone else should. Another common theme is to find a scapegoat, welfare mothers for example. In other words, plenty of opinions with few facts and understanding.

Bdp24 your story about your brother in law is just so typical. I have a brother in law who does listen but has a very Military perspective, his father is a retired full bird. We’ve had some interesting discussions and I like him but we think very differently. There is one thing however he is bound by, his racism and xenophobia which he was carefully taught from childhood, he really can’t help himself. "You’ve got to be carefully taught" check out the song from the Roger’s and Hammerstein’s "South Pacific". Amazing how relevant it is to this day. After all this is an audio site so he should at least attempt to keep the conversation somewhat relevant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZ8yOFFbAc