When is it time to consider adding a SUT?


I have an ARC reference phono 2 and am about to take possession of a Benz LPS with a low output. I have heard that installing a SUT such as one from Bobs devices can help the phono pre and provide better end to end performance. Would this help a quality phono pre like the ref 2?
thanks 

gtaphile
Raul and I are more often than not on opposite sides of controversies like this one.  However, in this case, we are on the same page. On the other hand, I could well imagine that a tube phono stage with marginal gain when matched to a particular LOMC cartridge would sound better if a SUT is interposed between the two. That's no surprise to me, either.  So, this could also be a case where both sides are "right", because no one has defined the terms of the argument. How low does the output of the cartridge have to be in relation to the gain of the phono stage before noise and reduced dynamics become obtrusive, whereupon things get better if you add a SUT?  To some degree, that is a subjective judgement, unless we are talking about ridiculous mismatches.  However, in my opinion, the particular example posed by the OP should not benefit much from adding a SUT.

I use a bipolar transistor input stage at the front end of an otherwise all-tube phono stage. Raul doesn't like this, because it uses mostly tubes, but the tremendous gain afforded by the transistor does result in an easy, dynamic, unstrained, and very low noise (not to say "no noise" that I can perceive) presentation that was not obtainable prior to introduction of the solid state input device.  In fact, there is no LOMC that my preamp cannot handle with ease, up to and including an Ortofon MC2000 with an output of 0.05 mV.  But again, this is my subjective opinion.

Raul,

Answering my questions with your own questions is a polemic exercise.  If we are to have a meaningful conversation this is not the way to start.  I provided a frame of reference that offers a clear starting point.  Please answer my questions.
Dear @billstevenson : For to persons can have a dialogue in a subject the first premise is that both understand the subject under dialogue/discussion. That's why I posted:

"""   before that is important that you and me talk in the same " audio language ".  """

It's useles that you, me or any one give answers or make questions when one gentleman is talking of " oranges " and the other of " airplanes ".

So,  from your point of view which targets are the main ones in a phono stage .? what are we looking for in a phono stage?

You can be sure I have answers to your questions, no doubt about. 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC not DISTORTIONS,
R.
Raul,

Since English seems to be a secondary language to you, perhaps you do not understand my point.  If that is so, please look up the word "polemic" and you will at least understand my objection to your approach.  If you already do understand my point, then you will need to seek out a different person to parry with.

Bill

This is not an 'polemic'' but well an ''pragmtic point''. Nobody

considered the prices . But assuming that one can get an decent

MM phono-pre for, say, $500 + an decent SUT for also $500

one will get an excelent phono-pre for $1000. No active or

tube phono-pre irrespective of price can compete with such a

combo resonable prices assumed.