Curved and Straight Tonearms


Over the last 40 years I have owned 3 turntables. An entry level Dual from the '70's, a Denon DP-52F (which I still use in my office system) and a Rega P3-24 which I currently use in my main system. All of these turntables have had straight tonearms. I am planning on upgrading my Rega in the near future. Having started my research, I have noticed that some well reviewed turntables have curved 'arms. My question: What are the advantages/disadvantages of each, sonic or otherwise? Thanks for any input. 
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Nandric,
There is a lot of myth in audio. The most common theory is that S shaped arms evolved from J shape to place the horizontal centre of mass of the arm tube/cartridge perpendicular to the 2 horizontal bearing points at the arm pivot closer to the centre. If you look at the J shape it places a high mass further to the inside and loads up the inside vertical bearing relative to the outside vertical bearing. As you lower the cartridge onto the record with a J shaped arm it will try and lift the inside bearing. With knife edge bearings such as the early J shaped SME's this means the inside bearing is unstable. Lateral balances are provided in some vintage arms to help correct the offset centre of mass of the arm tube/cartridge.  

Straight arm tube arms are more common now, but a key point is that along with straight arm tubes most modern gimbal bearing arms now have offset bearings; that is, the vertical bearings at the tonearm pivot have an offset angle that matches the optimum offset angle of the cartridge determined by the pivot to stylus distance.

Most vintage arms including the FR64S do not have offset bearings.
The disadvantage of non offset bearings is that when the arm goes up and down a rotational force ( twisting ) is applied to the cantilever - the use of a lateral balance never eliminates this effect, but it can reduce it somewhat.

The lateral balance on the FR64S has multiple implications, because apart from providing adjustability to the inside cancelling force, the distribution of mass around the bearing housing alters the loads on the bearings, and ultimately the forces, both rotational and lateral, on the cantilever as the arm moves up and down and back and forth on eccentric records.

For this reason rather than second guess ALL the engineering considerations that have gone into the design of the arm, one should set an arm up as per the manual in the first instance. We have a saying "a bad workman blames his tools" - this is so very true of poor tonearm and/or cartridge set up that all too often leads to indifferent results. 

     
     
I would not want to be one of those who recently paid a premium for the FR66S, however, where the asking prices are up around $6-7,000.
I’m not sure if you are overestimating Raul’s influence Lewm (if I am understanding you correctly)...in suggesting that the prices of the FR-66s arms have gone down since other folk paid a ’premium’ for theirs...?
I have two FR-66s arms (as well as a silver-wired FR-64s) and have seen their prices stabilise at about $9000-$10,000 over the last few years...
http://www.topclassaudio.com/web/eng/used_product_details.jsp?gid=8068
That’s if you can find any available at all......
There is a badly beaten-up one available with missing items and without headshells for $5,850 from Otoman Vintage
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/352099982219?rmvSB=true
but this is hardly the quality that a serious collector or connoisseur will contemplate.
At any rate....analogue-lovers willing to pay these prices for 35 year-old tonearms will do so knowing what these arms can do,
And what they can do, compared to the very best ’modern’ arms....is still quite baffling!

Dear dover, I am glad that I provoked this lecture about bearings.

The sense of our forum is also to learn and not only to exchange

our opinions. I have seen some info about Ikeda's new tonearms

but missed the info about new kinds of bearings which he used

in his new tonearms. My (wrong) guess was that he made some

sevings by omission of the lateral balance. Even by such prices

the argument of ''savings'' somehow seems to work (grin).

Dear @dover : Of course I know exactly how to set up that arm.

My post to @lewm was taking in count what the manual says:

""" Note 2): the lateral balance device is provided to correct for the sideways tendency in tonearm movement that occurs when the TT cabinet is not used on a horizontal stand. Practically speaking no problems will occurif the TT is installed level. Therefore, you ordinary don’t need to pay too much attention to this adjustement ".

yes the manual speaks about that 5mm.. In that same post I said that other tonearm designs use a lateral weigth for different reasons than FR.

@lewm well I just found out the manual:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/fidelity-research/fr-64.shtml

In the other side and I repeat it again because for you never had clear the explanation behind those pictures in an ad here in Agon and at very opportunity you have just come and try to hit me in any way, this only shows ( again and again. ) the very high level of frustration you have with me for long time because because many times showed you level of ignorance in discussions. That level of ignorance is different from my ignorance levels. Btw, you can’t hit me in that ridiculous way with the pictures or with the FR " unknowledge set up level ". Try to lead/surpass that high frustration levels in benefit of your self.

For the people that unknow what’s behind those Dyna pictures here it is:

I owned the Dyna Karat that comes with a " terrible/poor " dedicated headshell and I never used the cartridge with that headshell . When I put on sale I have to took pictures for Agon and I don’t care too much if the headshell position and that’s all.

Who cares, cartridge sold but you took that pictures as a tool for your very high frustration levels. Good for you, live with.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.



Dear @halcro : """  At any rate....analogue-lovers willing to pay these prices for 35 year-old tonearms will do so knowing what these arms can do,..... """


that's the " trouible " with FR owners that like you: DID NOT CATCH YET WHAT THESE ARMS CAN DO ! ! ! ! 

but I hope that before any one die can learn about. Don't be too late halcro.


Btw, @lewm : I used for a while the FR 66/64 and Ikeda tonearms since ( through the time. ) I learned the critical importance to mount a cartridge always in a well damped tonearm because is what any single cartridge asks for it can shows us its real and true quality level performance.
FR are totally all metal undamped design and additional has that " terrible " VTF resonant mechanism that preclude its use with a cartridge. This is just common sense and if you have a decent well damped design with the rigth audio system comparisons in between is really easy. You know very well when I say: " rigth audio system "..
I can't use any more a single piece of audio that I know for sure that in inherent way  does not helps to lower distortions/colorations in the system but the other way around. 
Lewm, knowing you I'm sure that if you already have ( that you have not, yet. ) that kind of knowledge/experiences you will do the same than me.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.