Teo, why pick me to become unhinged on? I don’t get it. If you want to get into some weird pseudo philosophical argument with me you’re barking up the wrong tree. Fortunately the world is not as complex, unfathomable, opaque, impenetrable, mysterious, theoretical or uncertain as you portray it to be.
I was not picking on you geoff. I was addressing what passes for logic function in most people. I was addressing those who read and post in the thread.
The moment we wander into uncharted territory for ourselves or for the general knowledge base, we have to consider the reform of mind over the reform of others or data. Anything that equals our limits automatically equals our intellectual and musing limits. That we are in it up to our eyeballs and above our nose, so we’ve lost the ability to intellectually breathe. No headroom and no ability to intellectually parallax for the finding of answers. The whole Buddhist ’you can’t put tea into a cup that is already full’ scenario. That answers in a given intellectual quandary that persists do not lie in the harder use of intellectual hammers or the moving of the given hammer to another target. Getting past limits in knowing is an act of purposely wandering into the emotionally uncomfortable, and into reform and change of mind and wiring.
And another 1000 pages of similar text. But one can avoid the text and simply get down to being wrong or being not hard headed and risking oneself and look for the new that one does not already know. Stepping out of the intellectual comfort zone. That stagnation in what you know is death and change in what you know -- is life itself. Our emotional origins -it being the carrier and filter in our logic function- makes us move in opposite directions as the logic would dictate..if it was viewed in clarity.
It was a conversational foil game, nothing more. Simple things, like: the harder the problem to solve, the more fundamental the mistake in the formulation of the question.
So we get to this question of fuses and in a scenario that is now proven to involve our reproductive functions, in cranial connectivity (music is processed in the same area of our brain as reproductive functions-sex, etc). Which means it is the most controlled area of ’mind’ we can attempt to intellectually crack or analyze. Heated, limited, circular, emotionally fired and fused. emotions underwrite and control every motion and thought emergence in the area of sex and we find this also deals with..music. Intellectual discussion in this area? Good luck with that, especially since it involves written text on the internet, where 90% of what we read is emotionally colored by us - and not the writer. If we are emotional on the subject, which we are, we inflect our emotions into their text, so the anger is mostly a mirror, not a reality. Be aware.
Since we all poses different levels of awareness and intellect, emotional involvement and so on, we run the gamut from those who explore and seek to know, to those who use the same angry hammer, over and over again, on everything. And those hammer types are generally not even aware they are using a hammer enabled by their limits.
The whole point of the discussion is to help raise them as well. But it can be pretty difficult to like them when they are hitting you with a hammer and attempting to cut you to ribbons if you get too close to their limits - which they hold onto for dear life. It’s a thankless and debilitating challenge. (Everyone has limits, it’s not an exclusive condition) Smacking people’s internal hornet nests is not a good way to be well respected, but it is an important and humane function. Ie, I don’t think you (and many others) spend so much time on these forums, just so you can feel you are right. It’s something else. It’s this other thing.
People can get very circular in their logic and limit new thinking. Happens all the time, every day, part and parcel of why the world tends to go to crap when it is stressed.
