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Directionality of wire

I am a fan of Chris Sommovigo's Black Cat and Airwave interconnects. I hope he does not mind me quoting him or naming him on this subject, but Chris does not mark directionality of his IC's. I recently wrote him on the subject and he responded that absent shunting off to ground/dialectric designs, the idea of wire directionality is a complete myth. Same with resistors and fuses. My hunch is that 95% of IC "manufacturers", particularly the one man operations of under $500 IC's mark directionality because they think it lends the appearance of technical sophistication and legitimacy. But even among the "big boys", the myth gets thrown around like so much accepted common knowledge. Thoughts? Someone care to educate me on how a simple IC or PC or speaker cable or fuse without a special shunting scheme can possibly have directionality? It was this comment by Stephen Mejias (then of Audioquest and in the context of Herb Reichert's review of the AQ Niagra 1000) that prompts my question;

Thank you for the excellent question. AudioQuest provided an NRG-10 AC cable for the evaluation. Like all AudioQuest cables, our AC cables use solid conductors that are carefully controlled for low-noise directionality. We see this as a benefit for all applications -- one that becomes especially important when discussing our Niagara units. Because our AC cables use conductors that have been properly controlled for low-noise directionality, they complement the Niagara System’s patented Ground-Noise Dissipation Technology. Other AC cables would work, but may or may not allow the Niagara to reach its full potential. If you'd like more information on our use of directionality to minimize the harmful effects of high-frequency noise, please visit http://www.audioquest.com/directionality-its-all-about-noise/ or the Niagara 1000's owner's manual (available on our website).

Thanks again.

Stephen Mejias
AudioQuest


Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/gramophone-dreams-15-audioquest-niagara-1000-hifiman-he1000-v2-p...


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Guys,

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jea48, let me help you out by summarizing the last couple weeks: I explain very patiently why AC electricity cannot explain away wire directionality while everyone else either doesn’t understand plain English or cannot follow simple logic or puts words in my mouth I didn't say. Remind me to repost the bit on pathological skepticism again sometime.

By the way, no matter what format one uses for posting someone will always complain, sure as shootin’.

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@jea48 
Thanks for posting that. Stupidly, I've always tried to type the quote after clicking on the "quote" icon and it only worked a few times. I could never get back to regular font. Copy and Paste seems quite normal to most but to a dinosaur like me....

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Nonoise
jea48
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nonoise          2,643 posts                                               08-16-2017 12:34pm

@jea48
Thanks for posting that. Stupidly, I’ve always tried to type the quote after clicking on the "quote" icon and it only worked a few times. I could never get back to regular font. Copy and Paste seems quite normal to most but to a dinosaur like me....

All the best,
Nonoise

I had trouble getting the thing to work using the old internet explorer. Sometimes I could get it to work while other times it would not. Then sometimes the damn thing would not leave a space below the grey vertical line for me to post a message.
With Mozilla Firefox It seems to work fine. Though sometimes I have to click on it again to get it, the grey vertical line, to show in the message box. Practice makes perfect.

We’ll see if geoffkait takes the time to get it to work for him. You can lead a horse to water, .......

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jea48
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Something that has not been mentioned, I do not believe, is the dielectric insulator used to cover the IC and speaker cable wires. The type of insulation covering over the wire may influence cable direction. Especially if the cables were broken-in in one direction and then reversed for what ever reason and hooked back up in the opposite direction. Or maybe one was replaced in the same direction but the other one was reversed.

I would hope we all agree new ICs and speaker cables go through a break-in period.



Coaxial cable

Coaxial cable Poynting vector in a coaxial cable, shown in red.

For example, the Poynting vector within the dielectric insulator of a coaxial cable is nearly parallel to the wire axis (assuming no fields outside the cable and a wavelength longer than the diameter of the cable, including DC). Electrical energy delivered to the load is flowing entirely through the dielectric between the conductors. Very little energy flows in the conductors themselves, since the electric field strength is nearly zero. The energy flowing in the conductors flows radially into the conductors and accounts for energy lost to resistive heating of the conductor. No energy flows outside the cable, either, since there the magnetic fields of inner and outer conductors cancel to zero.


Electrical energy delivered to the load is flowing entirely through the dielectric between the conductors. Very little energy flows in the conductors themselves, since the electric field strength is nearly zero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector
Note the picture shown.


Just a guess no one has experiment using bare uninsulated wires for ICs or speaker cables.

herman, and or Al, (almarg) any thoughts?
Jim

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