Tekton Double Impact & Comb Filtering


Like many of you, I have been pondering purchasing these speakers but am very curious about the unusual tweeter array. I asked the smartest speaker person that I know (he is a student of Sean Olive) about the design and below is what he had to say.   

"In theory it could work, but the driver spacing means that the crossover point would need to be very low.
He is using the SB acoustics tweeter which is 72mm in diameter, center to center on the outside opposing drivers is around 5.7 inches, which is about 2400Hz. This means that combing would stop between 1/4 to 1/2 of the wavelength (between 1200-600Hz) is where the outside tweeters should start playing nice with each other.
Since he is not using low enough crossover points he has created a comb filtering monster. Now while it's not the great point source that was promised, it's no worse than most line arrays and the combing will average itself out given enough listening distance.

The MTM spacing on the other hand is ridiculous. Hopefully he is cutting the top end off on one of those midrange drivers to avoid combing."

seanheis1
This was a good response from another thread on the Tekton phenomena. 

shadorne5,843 posts08-23-2017 9:13am@stfoth

I suspect your reservations (BS meter) are worth following. Why not wait and see how Tekton fairs over time.

When Zu took guitar cabinet speakers from Eminence and then made a full range speaker by claiming small mods to these designs can work full range (instead of what they were designed for) there was a huge buzz. Zu was the darling of these forums. As a musician I know how little the drivers for guitar cabinets cost and how the designs have more in common with PA than high fidelity but for sure I can see how these high sensitivity drivers are ideal for tubes as most guitar amp heads are tube driven. So my background knowledge raised alarm bells but I recognized that Zu had some advantages with tubes.

I recommend to wait. There is always a buzz when there is something completely new especially an unconventional approach (7 tweeters!). I read somewhere that the DI sounds like a panel but with much higher sensitivity. This seems to be what they bring to the table and it makes sense that comb filtering from a large star pattern of tweeters is going to sound more like a panel than a conventional design with one tweeter.

So my guess, not having heard them, is that they will sound like a panel but with a high sensitivity that allows them to be driven by a modest tube amplifier. Like Zu I see this as fulfilling a niche for those who like modest tubes but are looking for something more dynamic than is typically available in audiophile soeaker designs which tend to subscribe to low distortion and full range flat frequency response and even dispersion (the kind of things Stereophile's Atkinson would focus on).


"Well, you don’t know, I don’t know, but the happy owners know. You must buy and try. Simple stuff here."

I would agree and so glad I did pony up the measly 3K.

I'm still searching for that comb in the filter haven't found it yet.

Kenny.
I invite anyone that questions the performance to put their system of equal or double the value up for comparison against the modest Pass Labs X250.5 & Double Impact pairing I have in my listening room at the moment. If you are passing through the BC interior from Vancouver, Calgary or anywhere this is an open invite. Postulating about gear is nice and all but let’s do some real world testing and comparisons. I’ve always got pricey speakers and amps around to demo against them as well. I would welcome some criticisms at this point. Worst case scenario you will leave with your doubts and reservations confirmed while talking shop with a fellow audio nut.

Asking how they fair over time is is a great question that I wonder about myself. With the ever changing models it is hard to know. So much has come and gone in this silly hobby over the decades. 
 an invite for an in home demo with and against different amps and speakers..can't ask for more than that.. that might lead to a Buy and Try.or that Fava Bean dinner
Meanwhile back here on planet earth...

We now have Michael Wright at Stereo Times pulling the Wilson Sasha's out of his rig for the Double Impacts because they perform to a higher level. The fact is... I've had multiple people to call me and email me to inform me of the fact the DI's sound superior to the Wilson Sasha's.

Here's a quote from the REAL Double Impact Audiogon thread from a few days back:

"Just to be clear on the statements I made about the DI's and my Sasha's a couple of months ago; the DI's, overall, did outperform my Sasha's. From the mid-bass up through their hi frequency performance, they were more enjoyable and more musically engaging than the Sasha's. The level of performance and achievement, especially in the all important lower mid-range to upper bass region of the DI's, is exemplary.  Eric Alexander and his team should be lauded for what they have accomplished.  To gain this level of performance is commendable for a speaker at any cost, but at $3,000???  It should have been interesting, sitting around the Tekton board-room table and hearing Eric discussing the lofty design goals he had for the DI's, then share with his confidantes that he could do it all for around $3,000 retail.  I'm sure somebody snickered and said "Yeah right".  All I can say is interested parties should get their speakers soon before Tekton figures out what they have on their hands and puts their speakers thru a well deserved pricing restructure." - Michael Wright  

I also received a note from a client on Monday informing me of the fact the Impact Monitor outperformed the B&W D3's. A month ago a client called me to inform me the Impact Monitors has bested the Vanderseetn 7's.

We're doing something really special here and this is audio news. There's literally thousands of loudspeakers to choose from these days and the lowest common denominator is this: do you want to hear every subtle nuance and detail contained within your source material (music) or simply most of it..?!   

Eric Alexander
President/CEO Tekton Design LLC