Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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audiojan...

Leaving Thiel is a frustrating task, albeit one that I've personally managed to do a few times simply out of curiousity if nothing else. 

Obviously for sonics I definitely recommend Maggies - they still command an attraction for me that is as hard to fathom/explain as is my appreciation for Thiel.  They do so much right that the "shortcomings" many people express about them are negligible. The only aspect to kvetch about is, of course, Maggie's "Easter Island" physicality - they can dominate a space with their imposing dimensions.  I've had .7's, and the 1.7's and loved 'em both - both times returning to Thiel, 3.5's referenced here, twice. Thiels are indeed Maggies with mo' bass. And that's a compliment. 

I can also recommend Von Shweikert, another brand that I've found to be relatively close to Thiel, but with a lesser degree of the midrange punch that Thiel delivers. I've had VR2 and 4's, with the 4's being a closer match. 

Meadowlarks. Like Jim Thiel, Pat McGinty also had a penchant for coherency and time alignment and his speakers absolutely deliver superior sonics.  Used, they're just an incredible bargain. I gave my gf a pair of Kestrels a few years ago which we listen to paired with a Pioneer SX850 receiver - the little two-driver imp really impresses to this day. 

Obviously all of my Thiel purchases have been from the used market, 2.2, 2.3, three pairs of 3.5, and now, FINALLY the 3.6. The Maggies I've mentioned I purchased new. It's impossible to argue the return-on-investment that used Thiels offer. Can't be beat. Nope. Can't. 

I just swapped my Simaudio Neo 340i for a B. A. T. Integrated because I think my 3.6's would appreciate the extra current/wattage that the 340i couldn't deliver. (Neo 200 into 4 ohms, the B. A. T. 300 into 4 ohms.)  With the 3.6's I found it necessary to add a small sub - the 3.6's were so "Maggie-like" with regard to bass reproduction that I grew frustrated. The bass from the 3.5's was indelible at all listening levels whereas to my humble ears, the 3.6 seemed to abandon it. This small REL T7 managed to make me keep the 3.6. 


PS:  I'm awaiting delivery of the BAT VK300XSE. Dual mono/phono stage/tubed front end/factory recertified for 5 years. I'm almost pinching myself. 

In fact, I am. 
Good to see you- oblgny
I am interested in reading about your thoughts/impressions on the B.A.T. VK300XSE.  Is your local shop a dealer/retailer for B.A.T. ?
If not, where did you find this integrated? Agreed, nothing wrong with extra current on tap.

Happy Listening!
oblgny,

I agree the Meadowlark speakers can be wonderful. I’d listened to most of their models (when they existed) and ended up with the Blue Heron speakers at my house for a while. IMO, The Meadowlark sound was characterized by a natural organic woody/warm tone, with an airy open sound, and huge soundstaging - a real disappearing act - and decent dynamics. As you went up the Meadowlark line, and as Pat M. started using more expensive tweeters, the sound became more smooth and refined. And the larger speakers like the Heron were notable for a lush, full midrange.

As much as I absolutely loved the warmth of the Meadowlarks, I did find their tone to be more obviously imposed on the sound vs the more neutral Thiels. (I had the CS6s near to when I had the Meadowlarks).

Also, the Meadowlarks exhibited a well known characteristic with time aligned/first order crossover speakers when used in a typical tweeter/mid layout: a weird interference pattern depending on where you sat. Especially if I would rise higher or stand up, the sound would do this slightly odd change, to a suck-out in the upper mids. It reminded me of the aural equivalent of those images that use ’Lenticular Printing’ where the image shifts or changes as you change your viewing angle. Not a big thing given we tend to sit in one spot listening, but it somehow nagged a bit at me.   The coaxial design of the Thiels mitigates this (one of the reasons Jim went in that direction) so not only do I not hear that problem with the Thiels, they are actually one of the better speakers in providing a uniform sound off axis.

Anyway, I agree the Meadowlarks are quite a bargain used.
Oblgny, please accept my apologies for not responding to your generous offer sooner. I have been traveling quite a bit lately. Perhaps if the offer still stands when I return we could have further discussions. Regardless of what might or might not transpire, thank you!