VPI 2nd Pivot for 3D

Dear @cleeds : Good that agree with bill. I that regards are wrong because the Bill's facts/tests were not created to measures the stability in tonearms subject. So in this regards means nothing.

I'm not talking if you love unipivot kind of sound or if you do not, this is not the MAIN SUBJECT but its inherent unstability.

You said: """  that make them inherently flawed is just nonsense. """
but you did not say why is inherently flawed all what I posted .. Through my posts in this thread I explain those facts in a wide manner, read it again and please please come back here and tell us the why's of that " inherent flawed ".

 You followed:   """  There are reasons that unipivots endure in the marketplace... """

As several other audio " myths " is only because ignorance. Almost all audiophiles are focus on what we like and not in what SHOULD BE that is where lives the MUSIC and the audio hobby.

That " should be " is something that each one of us have to make and take a day by day learning path where in many audio/MUSIC subjects on that whole " should be " are almost unknow for many of us.
Not an easy process task that it's not only time consuming but dificult to understand and where we need to ask our selfs: what is happening down there, at each single step that any audio link makes its job. 
In the case of the ridding cartridge job almost we have to analize as if we were the cartridge and have the vision of " our " job ridding those tortuos LP grooves and all what this means. We have to do first with out taking in count TT or tonearm but as a stand alone cartridge and from here analize what in the " hell " are the cartridge needs to fulfill its very hard task.

It's an overall process at each step, we have to go as deepest as we can with patience.
We have to analize at least from where comes the recorded information in the LPs. Well, that normally comes from what the recording microphones pick-up in NEAR FIELD not at 30 m. from the music source as happens when we are seated in a music hall.

Those are incomplete examples to sooner or latter know how everything in audio SHOULD BE and improve our listening quality levels.
The rewards are fenomenal and we learn several things as if we discover a new audio world.

When we start to make the audio systems changes to achieve that " should be " we will know that in the past we were wrong and in this " new world " we really enjoy the MUSIC as never before.
I'm still in the quest to finish that " should be " and I can tell you that's worth to do it.

I'm not different of each one of you: I'm a MUSIC lover and I want to achieve the true best listening experiences through my home stereo audio system. Tha's all and as many other audio items unipivots can't help to approach that targets.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

To summarize @rauliruegas lengthy, incomprehensible and misspelled post

"I imagine myself as the cartridge tracking the record and I thereby know unipivots cannot work"

hmmm ...

folkfreak

To summarize @rauliruegas lengthy, incomprehensible and misspelled post

"I imagine myself as the cartridge tracking the record and I thereby know unipivots cannot work"

That's a fair summary. I would only add that Raul asserts his claims as "facts" and when pressed for proof, basically just repeats the assertion. Yet he demands rigorous proof from anyone else who cites a fact. So it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with him, which is why I've given up.

It's plain to see that Raul is wrong about unipivot pickup arms. I share his distaste for them. The difference is only that I consider it a preference. I'm not trying to convince anyone that "facts" support my preference, or that I have some special understanding of how they function.

Perhaps this post is a progression too far, but may I suggest that we agree that there is no one, single, absolute "right" way to do anything in audio. That is true for every aspect from tonearms, to amplifiers, to speakers, to wires...whatever. Each of us has preferences in equipment, music and so forth. Accordingly, looking for "proof" of something like this is somewhat analogous to the search for the Holy Grail.

Dear @folkfreak :  Sorry for the misspelled but unfortunatelly my English is to bad, sorry.

Now, you posted:

"""  I imagine myself as the cartridge tracking the record and I thereby know unipivots cannot work  ...""""

you summarize in wrong way maybe because the misspelled post explanation.
A better summarization could be to be certainly of what are the specific cartridge needs and what those specific cartridge needs really means and how a tonearm can fulfill it if exist one that can do it that certainly does not exist yet.

How can you know if an unipivot can works fine with any cartridge if you don't know or can't understand which ones are its needs other than a tonearm holds it.

When you learn those cartridge needs you will know for sure that two things that the cartridge does not needs are: unipivots and undamped tonearms and this is a fact that I don't need to prove it.

What you and @cleeds needs is to do your job and find out for your self process which are and why those cartridges needs.

Everything in the day by day world is changing where audiophiles are immutable, nothing change and we make nothing to change but stay sticky to old information thank's to that corrupted AHEE where any one of us belongs.

Due to your immutability " stage "  and with out be conceit or arrogant in anyway: I'm " ligth years " a head you enjoying MUSIC as you can't even imagine and not because I'm better than you only because I'm changing/learning/moving as the wrold does. Folkfreak  good for you: stay immutable and sticky on what you like instead to change learning on what SHOULD BE.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.