My jazz collection told me to get a *real* system


So I’m determined to put together my first serious analog system, having subsisted on entry-level NAD TT, integrated and phono amp for over 10 years. My tastes are very eclectic, but I’ve put together a nice jazz collection and that’s what’s really crying out. I’m looking at a budget of about $8K over the next 12-18 months. Yeah, that’s the trick: This ain’t gonna happen over night. But I’m willing to be patient with imbalances in my system as long as I’m headed in the right direction. And I’d rather go the route of buying the gear I really want for the long term rather than stop gaps and labor intensive upgrade paths etc. My life just doesn’t have room for that.

N.B.: Looking to stay SS, likely integrated+phono preamp configuration. Really just talking about the table, cart, and amplification ... speakers and ICs are OK for now.

Questions:
1) How would you divvy up the dough?
2) In what order would you buy the components?
3) Top 3 recommendations within each component category?
4) Other crucial considerations?

Appreciate the wisdom!
128x128jazztherapist
In a word, "immersive", in the same way live music is. Okay, you say, what the heck does that mean? I think two things in particular: first, the system is very fast, with excellent micro dynamics, and second, it has superb timbral accuracy. The first seems to be the province of simple, low-powered amplifiers and very sensitive speakers -- I tend to find systems with big amps and low sensitivity sound kinda constipated, whereas live music comes to you immediately. The second aspect usually -- but not always -- comes from analog sources and tube amps. 

The system Jeffrey was demonstrating that day had type 45 tube monoblocs pumping a mighty 1.5 watts into 96db sensitive speakers. I think he would say that it was one of his faster and more open sounding systems (compared with the denser sound from, say, a type 845 tube amp).

BTW, I don't feel a need to argue that my (eventual) system or even that show system is "the best". Neither would be the first choice for thrash metal fans, I'm guessing. A friend of mine whose taste runs to late romantic period big orchestral works plays only digital and loves his big Revels. That's cool; I just have different priorities. 

HWS does sell some very esoteric gear, to be sure. But he can start you with a $1500 tube integrated and some $2K Neat speakers that will make great music together. 
Hi pingvin,
Thanks for posting your very insightful listening impressions. Jeff Catàlano (High Water Sound) yes, I completely understand your experience with him. I’ve heard his systems on 5 different occasions across a variety of audio shows over the years. He consistently has some of the finest sound you’ll hear without fail.

His method is to pair lower power tube amplifiers and high sensitivity easy to drive speakers and it is indeed a wining formula for him. In my experience he used Tron SET amplifiers (either 300b or 211 tubes) driving Cessaro speakers or Horning speakers. Regardless of the combination chosen the result is exceptionally "natural " very realistic sound quality, the music just flows and fills the room. One year at CES he used an Electra Fidelity SET driving the Horning Eufrodite with excellent results.

He has used analog records exclusively in my experience and "all" genres of music sound very good in his systems. He is definitely a fan of jazz and has a superb collection to choose from.

Pingvin I agree with you, he does present a sound that differs from the numerous rooms using high power solid state amplifiers. I find his sound to be more open, flowing and emotionally very involving. There’s more the sense of musicians are in the room or you in the recording venue, very impressive!

It’s all a matter of personal taste of course but his systems do stand out at the audio shows year after year. Pingvin I’m convinced that you have a fabulous audio system via Jeff’s components and as important, his guidance.
Charles

offer $2500 for this table-http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649352700-vpi-prime-turntable-w-3d-arm/ 

Jump on this.  Great price for an amazing TT.  I recently updated my two channel equipment with jazz as my primary focus.  I bought the Prime retail with a Quintet Black cart.  I had a Project Carbon with Sumiko Blue Point No 2 and while that TT and cart helped me love vinyl again the Prime brought things to a new level.

I agree with the other comments about tubes.  I went SS for my amp and tubes with my pre.  I'd recommend the Atma-Sphere MP-3.  If you change two things to completely improve your sound the Prime and MP-3 would do that for you.  USA Tube Audio is having a sale on the MP-3 now.

Hello there....I too am a Jazz fan, collecting LPs for over 40 years, and another guy who recommends tubes but there are some great SS UK integrated amps that may do it for you. This dealer is in Campbell and really knows his stuff and stocks a great inventory of new and used LPs. He can help you put together a great system. Go with gear that give you a deeper connection to the music. The PL gear sounds fantastic and is reliable, real music makers that are mostly set and forget. The only thing you would need to watch is replacing the power tubes every 1/1/2 to 2 years depending on how many hours a week your listen.  

http://www.theanalogroom.net/ Enjoy the ride!

Chris O.


Thanks very much for that tip, Chris! It so happens I have a consultation group I'll be attending every Thursday up in Campbell so that's totally doable.

As a fellow jazz lover, I'm curious about the system you've put together for yourself.