Why is good, deep bass so difficult? - Myths and their Busters


This is a theme that goes round and round and round on Audiogon. While looking for good sources, I found a consultancy (Acoustic Frontiers) offering a book and links:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/guide-to-bass-optimization/?utm_source=CTA

Interestingly: AF is in Fairfax, CA, home to Fritz Speakers. I really have to go visit Fairfax!

And a link to two great articles over at sound and vision:

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-2

Every audiophile who is dissatisfied with the bass in their room should read these free resources.

Let me state unequivocally, deep bass is difficult for the average consumer. Most audiophiles are better off with bass limited speakers, or satellite/subwoofer systems. The former limits the danger you can get into. The latter has the most chance of success IF PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED.

The idea that large drivers/subs are slow is a complete and utter myth. Same for bass reflex. The issue is not the speed of the drivers. The issue is usually that the deeper a speaker goes the more it excites room modes, which the audiophile is then loathe to address.

Anyway, please read away. I look forward to reading comments.
erik_squires

To state "a 10" woofer will not keep up with a 6" midrange. Too much mass." is to oversimplify the situation. For one thing, different 10" woofers and 6" midrange drivers have differing amounts of mass; there are some 10" woofers with less moving mass than some 6" midrange drivers. But more importantly, the moving mass of any given driver is only one factor determining it’s "speed"---the size of the driver’s motor (magnet) is a huge factor. A driver with higher moving mass and a bigger motor can outperform a driver with lower moving mass but a smaller motor. By the way, the perceived "speed" of a driver is more a matter of how fast it stops moving when the signal does, and returns to "rest", than it is of how fast it starts moving. The cone of a dynamic driver not stopping when it should is called overshoot. As Newton’s Laws of Motion state, "A body in motion tends to stay in motion"---my own over-simplification!

Likewise, the statement "They must use very stiff suspensions to bring them back to neutral position after every excursion" is not universally true. The stiffness of a suspension is only one factor in the design of any driver, one needing to be balanced against other factors. Some very high performance woofers have stiff suspensions, some don’t. Acoustic Suspension designs (sealed enclosures) require suspensions with far less stiff suspensions than do Bass Reflex, for instance.

Woofers ARE often placed in MDF enclosures, but they don’t have to be, and sometimes aren’t. Baltic Birch plywood is a popular material used by some makers of high-performance subs. That plywood is far stiffer than MDF, it’s resulting resonance at a higher frequency than that of MDF, optimally far above the x/o frequency of the subwoofer.

"Massive objects resonate at frequencies that are hard, very hard to deal with". Sorry, also not necessarily the case. Internal bracing very easily and effectively deals with subwoofer enclosure-wall resonances, the braces pushing those resonances above any frequency the sub will be called upon to reproduce, reducing their audibility to below perceptible levels.

Soundrealaudio wrote:  "[Woofers] must use very stiff suspensions to bring them back to neutral position after each excursion."

The suspension system is not what brings the woofer's cone back to the neutral position.  IT IS THE AMP!!  As long as the amp is sending signal to the woofer, ITS MOTION IS ALWAYS BEING POWERED BY THE AMP!!  It never has to rely on the suspension system alone.  In more technical terms, Qts is almost always dominated by Qes; Qms typically makes only a minor contribution to Qts. 

Duke

+1 Audiokinesis and Erik

15" and larger woofers are key to good bass. You can’t beat the advantage of a large surface area except with multiple woofers. Multiple woofers are harder to drive so not a good choice. Basically....

One 15" woofer is equivalent to
Two 12" woofers
Three 9" woofers
Six 6" woofers

The amp controls the woofer and the air suspension suppresses the resonance of the woofer if properly designed. A woofer designed to work without a box may have a stiffer suspension but these are an exception rather than the norm.
erik

Placing weights on the top of a speaker may change the sound, for the better, I don't know, my speakers have sloped tops so I can test that out. I can tell you that you will not control cabinet resonance by adding weight. You might change the resonance point. Remember that light objects have higher resonance, more massive objects have much lower and much more difficult to control resonance. Simply take a wine glass and ping it with you finger nail. Now to stop the glass from ringing simply touch it with your finger. Two laws of physics come into play here. The first is that low mass objects will resonant at a high frequency. the second is that composite objects will more quickly do away with unwanted resonance. When you touch the wine glass with your finger you are essentially creating a composite of materials, your finger and the glass. Two disparate materials. 

So I conclude with this: Purchase speakers that are made from composite materials. Two do not always assume that those big heavy massive speakers will have better bass. 
The weights issue of course is very much speaker dependent. :) I’m certainly not saying it is THE solution to THE speaker problem. :)

This particular issue isn’t resonance within the speaker panels so much as force and leverage vs. the mass of the entire speaker being able to rock the entire assembly.  Of course, those of you with 200 lb speakers can ignore this issue.

The woofer motor exerts quite a bit of force that changes rapidly. This could in theory actually move the speaker, or tilt it, causing some self-cancellation akin to the Doppler effect.

Should you spend a lot of time and money on this particular issue? I don’t think so. I used to own Focal Profile 918. Rather tall, light weight speakers with woofers mounted relatively high. That is the type of speaker I think would benefit most.

Having force up high gives it more leverage, and more ability to rock the speaker back on it's rear feet. The Profile was easy to knock over even with after-market supports.

The theory is basic physics, but I haven't done any modelling in regards to "normal" woofer forces and speaker masses.  If you are worried, put a nice steel weight on top and listen. Then if you hear no difference at all send me a case of Casamigos tequila on top of which you have written the words "You were totally wrong."


Best,

E