Lifters ForGetting Cables Off The Floor, Worth It Or Snake Oil


  •  I'm looking at some porcelain cable lifters to get some power and speaker cable up off the floor.  Does raising the cables off the floor really make a difference? It's going to be about 200 bucks for 10 of them. Thanks.  
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Geoffrey C Kate, you are such a ‘Grandstander’. I am not sure anyone can hang with you in any conversation. Your talent lies more in avoidance, providing answers only to what you understand and denouncing everything unfamiliar to you while always changing subject matter. You should have become a politician and sold hot air.

Tom, don’t be such a big isolation denier. Not only is vibration isolation enjoying its 25 year anniversary for audiophiles, the whole isolation phenomenon has resulted in the introduction of spectacularly effective devices, what with active isolation, two stage isolation, magnetic levitation and so forth.

Tom is not an isolation denier, in fact we studied, used and tested various isolation models, techniques and products including your very own springs, in order to form the foundation and expand the theory of Resonant Energy Transfer some seventeen years ago.

Tom’s descriptive information listed above may not be understood by the readership because it is an entirely different understanding of function managing the negative effects caused from vibration in audio and musical instruments.


I would state that isolation theorems are being challenged by a very formidable competition in attaining a higher sounding musical quality; but statements like that enters the world of highly subjective opinions so how about a more focused scientific statement whereas ‘Resonant Energy Transfer’ reduces heat temperature in electronics and transformers establishing greater operational efficiency and can be proven via scientific testing.

Resonance Transfer also adapts to any and all types of musical reproduction products, structural listening environments including recording studios, listening suites and concert halls and enhances the sound of musical instruments without affecting the natural character of the original sound or voice.

Geoffrey, you have no rebuttals to Tom’s statements either confirming or criticizing the technical descriptions he provided and in my opinion should stop relying on the groupie thing, throwing out dated information and all those imaginary numbers you come up with when technically challenged and/or having no realistic ‘on topic’ replies left in the arsenal.

25TH Anniversary for isolation  


Huh? I was not aware of that. What publication announced this? -  Anyway Happy Birthday!

How many audiophiles do you think employ some isolation device or another, 50,000?


Irrelevant statements: Geoffrey, you forget listeners have been mechanical grounding audio components and speaker systems a lot longer, years before springs and isolation surfaced in the marketplace. Our products historically prove that as fact. By the way, based on sales records established by our founding fathers recorded from 1988 easily attest that 50,000 is cutting your number way too short, We are only one company in the industry and have achieved close to that number.


Question:   How many people consider metallic cones as a form of isolation?


They are not.


This lifetime of misrepresentation, titling and labeling all the variations of vibration control and products into one term -  “Isolation”  shows just how new vibration management was and still is in the world of sound reproduction. Until Industry and reviewers adapt a more modern day name for our sector of industry  “isolation”  will continue to confuse methodologies, challenge public’s perception and inhibit intellectual growth.


Example:   The wide majority of current day equipment racking designs including multi-shelves, single shelf products and speaker stands continue to be based on solid mechanical grounding principles and do NOT isolate yet are always referred to and reviewed as 'isolation racks'.


If LIGO had blinders on like you do they couldn’t have been able to observe gravity waves. Come on over to the good guys. You bought into the whole Michael Green "Let the vibrations free to roam around the room" silliness long enough. Enough is enough. You’ve been a good soldier. You can come out now. The war is over.


First and foremost your precious Ligo requires mechanical grounding in order to begin function - enough said ?  

I would not use the term silliness as in a few months there will be an absolute undeniable proof of performance open to the public for audition. This mechanically grounded environment including all AC lines, panels, power distribution and much more is a completely brand new product for audio. You can actually purchase a total and complete sound room. From the standpoint of both SPL and RTA testing, comparing data and physical sound to every venue we have ever encountered, it’s quite frankly - off the charts.


You call it a war?      We call it evolution.


I’ll buy the plane ticket in order to finally meet you and witness the look on your face when the first note hits and reality sets in. As for the ongoing M Green analogies, please tell me again - what in the hill are you talking about? Maybe it’s time you should stop this silliness...


The isolation concepts you refer to are highly successful but are attempting to correct a problem after the beat has taken place whereas we prefer to first manage the issue prior to the beat. Timing is everything.


The problem is NOT vibration. Vibration related to sonic contains all the dynamics and harmonic structures we seek as audiophiles, music lovers and listeners. The problem is resonance build up that is formed from vibration - a returning polarity of shear wave energy that clogs up all signal pathways (mechanical, electromechanical and acoustic) hence lacking a more efficient high-speed mechanical grounding structure. Resonant Energy Transfer provides resonance an expedient exit away from chassis and/or structure to ground establishing greater operational efficiency.

Robert - Star Sound

PS: and Geoffrey, before you come back with that old “our way or the highway” thing - Resonance Transfer is neither. It is new, provides undeniable audible results and has the capability for scale; advancing growth potential for other industry outside of audio.



actually any problems will be from static electricity

I defy anyone to tell the difference in a valid test during the summer - and yes, speaker cables on carpet.


- randy-11 - I haven't tried dropping them off the stands in the summer and you may in fact be right. It was winter when I experimented with all of the "lifter" variations and they have been off the floor ever since. There is no denying the improvement in the winter months when speaker wires run over carpet. No snake oil here.

roxy54
"geoffkait, I never said they didn’t. That’s neither here nor there. But I’m sure Tom appreciates the support. He certainly can use it.

What do you mean it’s neither here nor there? That’s is what the discussion is about."

>>> I’m afraid you haven’t been following the discussion very closely. I never argued that coupling or grounding is not effective or not important. Nor did I ever suggest Audio Points products don't work.  In fact, I just got through explaining my position a few posts ago. Put on your listening ears. My position, for the umpteenth time, is that both grounding techniques AND vibration isolation techniques are required for the best results. I also propose damping in certain situations. The damping I’m referring to is not rubber or similar materials but effective damping. Why do things halfway when you can go all the way? Doesn’t make sense. Don’t be an isolation denier. 😱



You'll hear what you want or expect to hear when you invest your $$$ in Snake Oil. 
Buy more music instead. 
Steve