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Most Important, Unloved Cable...

Ethernet. I used to say the power cord was the most unloved, but important cable. Now, I update that assessment to the Ethernet cable. Review work forthcoming. 

I can't wait to invite my newer friend who is an engineer who was involved with the construction of Fermilab, the National Accelerator Lab, to hear this! Previously he was an overt mocker; no longer. He decided to try comparing cables and had his mind changed. That's not uncommon, as many of you former skeptics know. :)

I had my biggest doubts about the Ethernet cable. But, I was wrong - SO wrong! I'm so happy I made the decision years ago that I would try things rather than simply flip a coin mentally and decide without experience. It has made all the difference in quality of systems and my enjoyment of them. Reminder; I settled the matter of efficacy of cables years before becoming a reviewer and with my own money, so my enthusiasm for them does not spring from reviewing. Reviewing has allowed me to more fully explore their potential.  

I find fascinating the cognitive dissonance that exists between the skeptical mind in regard to cables and the real world results which can be obtained with them. I'm still shaking my head at this result... profoundly unexpected results way beyond expectation. Anyone who would need an ABX for this should exit the hobby and take up gun shooting, because your hearing would be for crap.  
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jinjuku
Here’s another video where I debunk WireWorlds Q/A.

Directly address their Triboelectric B.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pWvJwQOPiY

I hate to judge before all the facts are in but jinjuku’s argument is the same ridiculous argument that naysayers have been using for years attempting to explain why power cords cannot influence the sound, and why there can be no audible difference among power cords, since the last four feet of cable can’t correct the problems in the miles of cable from the power company to the transformer or from the transformer to the wall outlet. We get the same sort of naysayer argument for CDs too - I.e., that nothing can change the sound on the CD because the data is physical and error correction fixes any errors that occur while the laser reads the data. So, it appears jinjuku just tossed up another nothing burger. 🍔

One assumes jinjuku would attempt to debunk wire directionality by claiming that data transfer is not corrupted or changed when the cables are reversed so therefore wire directionality doesn't exist. 😄
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@dynaquest4,
@jinjuku,

In your experience, do you think laptop / computer is a best source to determine sound fidelity and quality of a Ethernet cable in direct comparison with a dedicated audio server like Lumin, Aurender or Antipodes?

I would like to hear from folks using a dedicated audio server. It would be interesting to hear their feedback on $5 off the shelf Ethernet cable vs $100-$300 Ethernet cable.

Many of us using PC as a source of streaming. Let’s also talk about the next chain in the link - the USB cable to the DAC. Are you going to say next that a generic $5 USB cable is just as good as $300 USB cable?


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I use a nice tricked out Sound Science Music Vault computer as my server. I use it to play some 1300 ripped and stored CDs and to listen to Tidal streaming. I use Roon also which is wonderful.

The USB cable used made a significant sound quality improvement/change. I ended up with the Curious USB cable. I tried several and the sound quality differences were easily discernible. The Curious cable was the most full bodied and relaxed and met my personal subjective sound quality needs.

I changed my ethernet cable from a Cat5, if I recall, to a shielded CAT 7 and liked the change. Again, more relaxed and natural sounding. Less of that digital glare we sometimes hear. The cable was purchased from Amazon and was very inexpensive. The sound change was immediate and easily discerned
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jinjuku
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@jinjuku,

In your experience, do you think laptop / computer is a best source to determine sound fidelity and quality of a Ethernet cable in direct comparison with a dedicated audio server like Lumin, Aurender or Antipodes?

It certainly can be if your USB DAC is good. I've had a Cary Audio DMS-500 to evaluate. Both it and my computer based system sounded great. 
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jinjuku
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One assumes jinjuku would attempt to debunk wire directionality by claiming that data transfer is not corrupted or changed when the cables are reversed so therefore wire directionality doesn't exist. 

Ethernet cables aren't directional though... And before you go talking about STP cabling, don't talk about it in a vacuum, because how the shield is tied is dependent on the installation environment. 

You really have no clue what you are talking about. 
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