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seeking advice as to where the sweet spot is in this line price/performance.

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chakster, Salvatore is self appointed hifi authority a kind of ''super

Raul''. Not exactly like Napolen but similar. As is well known

Napoleon appointed himself to the king of France. The problem

with Salvatore is , uh, logical. ''The best x'' imply ''all x are Fx&Gx''.

This is the so called ''Tarski theory of truth by ( conditions)

satisfaction''.

If there is just one ''x'' which does not satisfy conditions Fx and Gx

then the whole sentence is false. We get some other ''perspective''

or ''picture''  if instead of ''all x'' the expression ''from all x that I know

I like the most a, b, c ... n. ''.  Everybody is free to make his own

sequence of his beloved babe. There are however cases where

no sequnce is needed.

If I remeber well you mentioned your ZYX CPP-1 at least 5 times

(grin).



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@nandric

If I remeber well you mentioned your ZYX CPP-1 at least 5 times

(grin).

Few times, yes, but seems like i’m still the only one owner here on audiogon. That’s why i always remember A.Salvatore.

When i did my search for "Denon AU-S1" on audiogon, i saw at leat 25 posts of yourself, so i hope you’re very happy about this SUT, lol
Another person who mentioned this was Raul, but only few times. BTW, correction: the impedance range of AU-S1 is not 2 - 40 Ohm, but 3 - 40 Ohm. And why i remember Salvator again is because his favorite Bent Silver SUT has similar construction (with direct connection to the transformer for each channel), but without the cabinet.    

Anyway the ZYX CPP-1 is not a SUT, but an active headamp, and considering Dover’s post (to avoid all the SUTs) i decided to remind about this device, hoping somebody else experienced with this, except Arthur Salvatore (ex Koetsu dealer) who rated it so high.

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Dear chakster, You remind me of this opera aria from Rigolleto

''La donna e mobile''. I try to please you by supporting your

opinion about the need for a SUT by low output MC carts. My

''division'' or the value of 0,3 mV may be arbitrary but this does

not change the ''idea''. However in your latest post you seem to

agree with the user of the ''Holy water'' from New Zealand who is

against SUT's at any (output) value. But you can't have it both

ways despite the fact that your ZYX CPP-1 is an active device.

I think that you would use any ''authority'' whatever provided they

praise your ZYX which is, alas, totally unknown to other members

of this forum except Dover. The problem with him is , as I mentioned

in my former post, that when he uses too much of this ''Holy water''

he then thinks to know everyting better. I thought that one Raul is

sufficient for the whole forum (grin).



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Well, i have transformers inside my WLM Phonata Reference MM/MC phono stage, but unfortunately this stage is also unknown to the members here. The construction of the stage is also unusual as it has "automatic load imedance for any cartridges" (not fixed load imedance like on most of the mc stages). Those transformers are very small, must be lundahl transformers, i screwed up my device when i changed 47k resistors for MM input (to vishay naked foil 100k).

I wish i could try more SUTs, because the gain on my MC stage is not enough for 0,05mV Ortofon MC 2000, but OK for 0,17mV FR PMC-3 as i said earlier.

And as the oppisite to the SUTs i have those headamp and additional JLTi phono stage with "high gain" to handle 0,20mV carts (not not high enough for 0,05mV carts like MC2000).

So it’s not the point to praise zyx headamp, but just a curiosity what is better and why.
For some reason (for the first time) i have hum when i use zyx with FR PMC-3, but when i use same cartridge with my WLM MC phono stage (with build in transformers) i have no hum.

I’m gonna continue my experiments with everything (SUTs, headamps, and high gain prono stages with plug in load resistors). At the moment i can’t say what is better. Sadly no one use the same gear here.

What i don't like about those external devices is that i need more cables and those cables must be top quality to avoid hum. Some cables what works fine for MM carts does not good for low output MC carts. 
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I’ve come across @rauliruegas post from 2013 and his list of tested SUTs looks impressive (see below):

Dear Dover/friends: Maybe any one could ask: why me that always is against SUTs wants to test it again?.

Well, the at random finding at my place of those SUTs give me the opportunity to test it and to make something that I never try it: the SUT up to date.

I owned and heard a lot of SUTs in my system and in other systems.

I can remember some of them. From Audio Technica: At630, AT7000, AT1000, etc. from Ortofon: T30, T2000,T3000,T5000,etc. Luxman 8020/8030. Denon 320,HA1000, Pionner headamp. Two different Audio Note Kondo’s. Expressive Technologies. Highphonic. Dynavector DV6 ( or something. Classe NIL3 headamp. I owned 2-3 vintage SUT’s by USA designers that I can´t remember. Bent Audio and many many more.

In no one but the NIL3 I made any single up date.

-Raul

This Classe NIL3 is also in Arthur Salvator’s list, it’s funny @nandric but Raul’s farovite Classe N.I.L. headam was creamed by ZYX headamp in Salvator’s tests :)

A.Salvator said: "The Classe was the finest solid-state "head amplifier" ever made (until the ZYX CPP-1)." http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-Step-ups.html
So i think Raul should try CPP-1, lol

Maybe i already have one of the best headamps, who knows.

The Audio-Technica AT1000T and AT300T, Denon AU-1s and Ortofon T2000 were in my wantlist for some of my LOMC, never tried them yet.

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