Looking for Better Jitter Reduction in a DAC


I'm looking to improve the jitter control in my digital setup, which hopefully will create a more analogue presentation. I own a PS Audio PW Memory Transport, which sports a FPGA, and a Nuwave DSD DAC with a scaled-down version of the gate array.

   I have owned a Chord which uses this technology and it was like listening to analogue recordings. I sold it only because it's soundstage was very forward, like sitting in the front row of a concert hall. My current PS Audio setup has wide and deep imaging, as does my Atma-Sphere preamp.
   I have auditioned the Schiit Grundir and it was a bit too fast in the attack and transients, but had the dynamics and deep imaging that I like. So, I guess what I'm looking for is a unit with a laid-back, realistic musical presentation.

The Mytek Digital Stereo192 DSD and Blue Circle DAC are in my price range, but there is no way to audition them.
  So any recommendation and advice is appreciated. DSD preferred, budget is about $1200 used.


128x128lowrider57
Hi lowrider,

Very sorry to read of your medical situation and I understand that completely.

I cannot speak to the JPS power cord from personal experience, but I do not see anything about it or any other quality power cord that could increase jitter.

A cleaner AC feed can do nothing but good for a digital front end and should keep digital hash from returning to the AC source for the analog playback chain. Let your ears be your guide.

Dave
Yes I agree with Dave letting your ears lead you. The iPurifier will
take about 100-200 hours to reach its full potential. Music Direct has a 60 day return policy so you should be good with respect to burn in.

Going through some medical expences for the last couple of years too. It’s a b---- but part of life. Hope all goes well for you in that regard.

Chris
Dave and Chris, many thanks for the good wishes.

My review of the JPS AC-X... Extremely effective and affordable as an all in one filter/conditioner power cord. In my case, I did not need such powerful filtering since I have dedicated lines and 2 upstream power conditioners. Even with the AC-X plugged directly into the wall from the DAC, the soundstage was compressed compared to my other PC’s. Using a shielded cable into a Brickwall provided the best results.
The issue may be that my DAC doesn’t bleed any noticable noise back to the mains, plus I already have a very a very low noise-floor. Anyway, my digital harshness doesn't seem to be power related.  I would recommend trying this cable in a system w/o clean power.

BTW, the cable was burned-in by running an air conditioner thru it via an adapter for one week.

Good feedback lowrider. I believe your results. Much better reason IMO than the advice of someone else.

Can't say whether it was due to being a "digital" PC or not as I have had similar findings with some PCs that were not. 

I really hope that you are able to get the DAC of your choice eventually. Until then, I recommend you try the free samples of the Mad Scientist's Black Discus at various locations in your system to see if they help with the harshness.

Dave

It is quite easy to go down the garden path with digital.  There are a lot of variables, even when using a transport, including jitter, digital filtering in the DAC and DAC output stage and power system.  Any of these can make it sound "digital".

The best way I have found to approach this challenge is to focus on one thing at a time and optimize it, eliminating that effect as a cause.

The first thing is to eliminate jitter.  Trying to do this by selecting a particular DAC just confuses things.  Most DACs with resampling in them change the jitter and thereby the sound, but never never eliminate jitter, or even reduce it to inaudible levels.  The source must be optimized in order to do this, whether its a transport, USB converter, server, computer or network renderer.  With most transports, the best solution is a reclocker, unless you are willing to spend $20K for a transport, which is IMO ridiculous.

Optimizing the DAC digital filter is harder.  There are several approaches:

1) DAC that has discrete D/A implementation and custom filters

2) NOS or ladder DAC that has NO digital filtering

3) DAC that has selectable filters

Optimizing your choice in output stage has several options:

1) tube output stage

2) discrete transistor output stage

3) minimum # of op-amps in the output stage

4) active output stage with feedback that linearizes the behavior

Optimizing the DAC power system is much harder.  With some DACs that have external power supplies, you can upgrade and improve this.  Adding an AC voltage regulator like the Plasmatron from VHaudio.com helps a lot, but not inexpensive.


IMO, trying to use cables or filtering to make it sound more analog is the wrong garden path.  It ultimately sacrifices dynamics and detail.


Steve N.

Empirical Audio