Dealers hijacking the discussions

wow dlcokrum, that is really kind of nasty. We are attacked time and time again by a man who is friends with other dealers yet loves to slander mine as he is not a friend, and states that he doesn't like me or my staff, is that being unbiased and neutral and he makes ridiculous claims against my products and a few of you think that is okay. 

Grgr4blu's attacks lead to rebuttals which cause this "hijacking" as we are forced to rebutt his claims.

You can say you don't like the sound of the Paradigms but at this point it is impossible to deny they are a contenter aganst Magico, Wilson, Rockport, etc, what you like is a different matter. 

Are they the best speakers on Earth no they are not, and I have never said that, what I have said is that they are a tremendous value for what they do and offer for the price. 

I make the last post not as a boastful thing, but how do you know anything? You test. If Dealer A has a limited selection how does he know how good many other brands are they he doesn't sell?

We sell most of the best digital products such as Arunder, Lumin, Naim, Innious, and others. Do we sell all on the market no we don't it isn't possible but how many dealers sell all of those brands?

We are proud of our store and our wide selection of great products that we sell. 

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ

I am not bothered by Audiotroy or any other dealers.  I have actually purchased from Audiotroy and I VALUE his insight.  I take with a grain of salt half of non dealer input just like I take with dealer input.  Why is it so invasive when someone provides an opinion dealer or audiophile regardless of whether they are selling or commenting.  I get a charge of some quote audiophiles who here a speaker once or twice and they are experts on that product.  In many markets it is hard to hear a diversity of products.  Accordingly, it is great to at least get an opinion of someone who deals in the business everyday.  That does not mean you have to buy from them.  I do an incredible amount of research before I buy a product.  I value everyone's insight.  If you don't like what a dealer says just ignore it.  Why respond in a negative way.  It will just fuel an argument that won't accomplish anything.  Just enjoy your music!

Audiotroy:
Selling out of your home a nasty crack? How is the truth a nasty crack?
You claim I have no direct experience with you. But Dave, as I've said on numerous occasions (which you do not comprehend because you only know how to talk too much, not to listen) , I have worked with you as I've said and on at least 4 or 5 occasions at Sound By Singer and at 2 different audio shows when you were desperately pushing Audio Doctor products and where you tried to hard sell me Ushers (one time) and then Personas (the next time) like no one else at a show ever pushed me.
 I stopped seeing you at Sound By Singer because I asked Andy to make sure I did not have to deal with you as a salesperson. I usually had about and hour and a half to listen to a desired product but, with you, I'd only get to listen for a half hour because I could not get you to stop talking for the first hour and telling me how great you were and what you thought I should buy. I was one of a number of people I know who made that request of Andy. Ask him--he'll remember a group of us who separately and independently did not want to hear what you had to say in your definitive (yet highly subjective) way. We were all more educated in the audio world than you at that time and did not need to hear your introduction to yourself and your self professed expertise every time we visited.
As I've also said, we all built speakers, amps, cables and other DIY audio products and had years of experience with most of the manufacturers of the day. We did not need the salesman's rush. But as always, you never listened and just kept on talking. Just like here. See---I would not have to tell everyone in this thread about our history as I have done in other threads if you did not lie about me never working with you. 
Last, many NY dealers are friends because I've purchased a lot of gear over the past 38 years and have purchased more than 2 or 3 items from virtually all of them. We do not eat out together or check in on the family--we are not that close-- but when you, of all people, impugn all of them as out to make a buck--unlike you who sells gear because you care about what is in the best interests of the customer, I'm sorry--I'd just like the readership to know that I and a large number of my audio buddies have had a far different experience.  

Grgr4blu,
 
Gee what a load of hurt hogwash.  If you never bought from me or taken my suggestions, YOU NEVER WORKED WITH ME!

As per trying to sell you Ushers or Personas, unless it was in my shop which you haven't been to, you are MISTAKING A SALES PRESENTATION AT AN AUDIO SHOW, by the way, a sales persentation at an Audio Show is my job by the way, with a personal demo and consult. 

As per trying to "sell" you something you obviously knoq more than me so there is no way I could sell you something as per your advanced experiences in the industry, I started at age 5 with my first reel to reel, and helped my father build and modify Dynaco gear in my early teens, lest you forget our previous discussions so although you may be 10 years older you may actually have less experience than I do. 

As per talking your ear off, I generally get to know my clients and their needs and what they do and do not like as a way of guiding them to find what they like.

As per you and your "honesty" vs mine, if you had the timerity and the balls to say that you don't like my method, to my face you can as you do here ask Andy to get you another salesman, but you can hide behind your Audiogon handle. 

Grgr4blu you have an interesting take on our history.

As you have said you stopped working with me because i talked too much gee what a crime. Most of my actual clients liked to have conversations.

As per working with me you again mistake fact with fiction.

Unless you purchased what I recommended or had come to your home and brought products to you and worked together via a testing session we havent worked together.

As per knowledge i started in audio at age 5 first reel to reel and started with my own real system at 13, as well as building and modifying Dynacos with my dad as a teen.

You mistake age with wisdom.

As per trying to sell you something ie Ushers or Personas if it was at an audio show  that is called a presentation most people who go to shows know that.

Integrity if you have a problem with someones approach you tell them in a nice but constructive mannor which is what people who care about other people do.

Instead you run to Andy or do as you do here hide behind your Audiogon handle.

I dont even know who you actually are.

What is interesting to note is how

Yyzsantabarbara
Willgolf
Ricridi1 

Whom are people who have actually talked to me and in some cases bought stuff that they enjoyed all tell a different story.

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ