Dealers hijacking the discussions

Grgr4blu, also as your selling out of his home, nasty crack, we have a wider product selection then most of the New York dealers, go check out our video and you will see more unique gear on display, then almost anywhere in this part of the country.

Our older video shot 1.5 year ago, does not show the T+A audio gear, the Light Harmonic Davinci, the Aqua Hifi Forumula, ATC speakers, Legacy speakers, Baetis music servers,Micromega M100, NAD M32, plus a lot more gear.

So look at pictures of our shop vs your buddies shop do you want to know why we are quite knoweledable look at our store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NPIn3pEmI4

and lastly you who are turned off by my "salesmanship" have never been to my store and have never worked with me so you have NO DIRECT experience with me nor have heard systems at my store you have only heard my show setups.

So how much do you reallly know, if you had worked with me, tried some of my suggestions, and I was not able to make your system dramatically better or heard my store setups then maybe you would have a chance to be considered a fair and unbiased voice.

And to the gentleman who believes that you should shun dealers that promote their products, the reason that most dealers have the products they sell is because they believe them to be better, hence they want to sell those products.

Our store sells many great brands whether a BAT, a Vac, a Manly Labs, or CJ sounds as good or better than an ARC of Lamm or whatever tube amp that an OP may be talking about, it should not be considered a total faux pau to mention any of the competiting product, if a dealer talks about a product that may be exactly what the OP is looking for that should be considerd a good thing and the likely hood that the OP would or could find the recommendation to be a good thing and they would then seek out their local dealer to listen to said producte. 

This hostitlity towards dealers is just silly as most dealers can be a great source of knowledge and have a tremendous amount of experience.

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ

I was pretty much in favor of dealer and manufacturer participation (within limits), but the last part of this thread has me reconsidering.

audiotroy - one of my childhood friend’s mother used to say, "The more you stir sh*t, the more it smells."

Dave

wow dlcokrum, that is really kind of nasty. We are attacked time and time again by a man who is friends with other dealers yet loves to slander mine as he is not a friend, and states that he doesn't like me or my staff, is that being unbiased and neutral and he makes ridiculous claims against my products and a few of you think that is okay. 

Grgr4blu's attacks lead to rebuttals which cause this "hijacking" as we are forced to rebutt his claims.

You can say you don't like the sound of the Paradigms but at this point it is impossible to deny they are a contenter aganst Magico, Wilson, Rockport, etc, what you like is a different matter. 

Are they the best speakers on Earth no they are not, and I have never said that, what I have said is that they are a tremendous value for what they do and offer for the price. 

I make the last post not as a boastful thing, but how do you know anything? You test. If Dealer A has a limited selection how does he know how good many other brands are they he doesn't sell?

We sell most of the best digital products such as Arunder, Lumin, Naim, Innious, and others. Do we sell all on the market no we don't it isn't possible but how many dealers sell all of those brands?

We are proud of our store and our wide selection of great products that we sell. 

Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ

I am not bothered by Audiotroy or any other dealers.  I have actually purchased from Audiotroy and I VALUE his insight.  I take with a grain of salt half of non dealer input just like I take with dealer input.  Why is it so invasive when someone provides an opinion dealer or audiophile regardless of whether they are selling or commenting.  I get a charge of some quote audiophiles who here a speaker once or twice and they are experts on that product.  In many markets it is hard to hear a diversity of products.  Accordingly, it is great to at least get an opinion of someone who deals in the business everyday.  That does not mean you have to buy from them.  I do an incredible amount of research before I buy a product.  I value everyone's insight.  If you don't like what a dealer says just ignore it.  Why respond in a negative way.  It will just fuel an argument that won't accomplish anything.  Just enjoy your music!

Audiotroy:
Selling out of your home a nasty crack? How is the truth a nasty crack?
You claim I have no direct experience with you. But Dave, as I've said on numerous occasions (which you do not comprehend because you only know how to talk too much, not to listen) , I have worked with you as I've said and on at least 4 or 5 occasions at Sound By Singer and at 2 different audio shows when you were desperately pushing Audio Doctor products and where you tried to hard sell me Ushers (one time) and then Personas (the next time) like no one else at a show ever pushed me.
 I stopped seeing you at Sound By Singer because I asked Andy to make sure I did not have to deal with you as a salesperson. I usually had about and hour and a half to listen to a desired product but, with you, I'd only get to listen for a half hour because I could not get you to stop talking for the first hour and telling me how great you were and what you thought I should buy. I was one of a number of people I know who made that request of Andy. Ask him--he'll remember a group of us who separately and independently did not want to hear what you had to say in your definitive (yet highly subjective) way. We were all more educated in the audio world than you at that time and did not need to hear your introduction to yourself and your self professed expertise every time we visited.
As I've also said, we all built speakers, amps, cables and other DIY audio products and had years of experience with most of the manufacturers of the day. We did not need the salesman's rush. But as always, you never listened and just kept on talking. Just like here. See---I would not have to tell everyone in this thread about our history as I have done in other threads if you did not lie about me never working with you. 
Last, many NY dealers are friends because I've purchased a lot of gear over the past 38 years and have purchased more than 2 or 3 items from virtually all of them. We do not eat out together or check in on the family--we are not that close-- but when you, of all people, impugn all of them as out to make a buck--unlike you who sells gear because you care about what is in the best interests of the customer, I'm sorry--I'd just like the readership to know that I and a large number of my audio buddies have had a far different experience.