Dealers hijacking the discussions


I’m a very long term member and look at the forums most every day. I’m personally extremely irritated by dealers injecting sales pitches into the discussions which has never really been a problem before. Dealers are biased as it’s the nature of business and this is fine but I don’t go to audiogon to see shameless promotion. There’s one guy in particular that needs to go away. The fact that you’ll all know who it is says volumes about the amount of posting this guy/dealer does on audiogon. Does anyone feel as I do. Just curious.
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Dave. Just look at the last few posts of yours. You just bloviate on, and on, and on......I love brick and mortar stores, and I have never been in yours. But just reading this thread alone, makes me want to stay away from your store. By the way, I don't need a dealer to help make my decisions (or a reviewer for that matter). I can  use you guys to give me a heads up on a piece of equipment, but ultimately I do my own research and in my ears, I trust.
Cheers,
Tim
Mr_M, sorry to in your words bloviate, there are a lot of issues that have been raised which all need to be addressed and in fact all of these issues could be there own posts.

There are real shills here both dealer affliated and non affiliated

There was the concept of what constitutes a dealer.

There was also the discussion of motivativation for profit when many times there is none to be gained.

There was also the discussion of what consitutes hi-jacking vs suggestion of alternative product that might fit someone's needs possible better and for less money or the same money.

Yes I can see a lot of the points being raised on both sides some of which I agree with and some which I do not. 

If you are in our neck of the woods, and want to visit fine, the fact that you an audiophile would not want to visit our store based on a discussion I personaly find sad not for me but for you.

Personal feelings should not get in the way of wanting to check out someone's store or listen to a product. We treat our clients very well as evidenced by people who have actually been to our store. 

You don't know if for example I looked at your setup and said do x y or z and suddenly your system sounded dramatically better if you would be thrilled or you are colored by what you read let you make up your mind to the motivations of someone you have never personally talked with or visited their store.

I will give you one little example currently we are testing a $2,000.00 power cord with some unique technology that has made a gigantic difference in one of our setups, now if I make a post that says this and I sell this product do you now believe it or question the findings as our profit motive is what in your mind is driving the post, do you then want to check out the product sold by us as well as others for yourself or do you discount the findings based on your perecieved dialog of us.

In the end it is your decision, not mine, if you want to seek our council or not, check out our products or recommendations or not. 

When I am traveling I go to audio stores some of those stores have great reputations and their sound is good and sometimes it is not, I don't let my perceptions or preconceived notions alter my desire to visit their stores I visit them anyway all in the desire to see if I can find a better product then what I sell, and most of the time if I find it I move into that line.

Dave master troll and ruller of the evil empire
Audio Doctor NJ


Let's make it a habit of shutting down conversations that aim to tear others down!

And Dave a bit fewer words would REALLY be appreciated.
4: things as OP I want to comment on:
1. 75% of verbiage to my thread is from a dealer
2. Bill Parish of GTT is one of the best guys in audio and would never push his wares or opinions in these forums and i haven't bought anything from him since some Kharmas probably 15 years ago and I have no relationship w him at all
3. If Wilson has lost its way I missed it on my pair of Yvettes coming after some really good speakers. They are awesome and I humbly think that after 40 years experience in high end audio i can recognize awesome
4. If it's ok for one dealer to constantly attempt to mine buyers in the forums what if it were 10? or 20? 
This tread reminds we of when my kids used to bicker back and forth.   I sure do miss those days! :)