MONO cartridge recommendation


Hi,
I was all set to get the ORTOFON 2M MONO SE cartridge to play the Beatles Mono Vinyl box set.

But it seems they do not offer it in any longer. Anyone have a suggestion on a true Mono cartridge $550-1000 range?

MM or MC in the 2.5mV range for my preamp

thanks 

 mike
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My experience does not match up with the info on the Hoffman site at all, namely that high frequency info is compromised using a mono cartridge on mono reissues or mono records cut using a stereo cutter, or that mono cartridges sound inferior to stereo cartridges on post '68 monos. 

FWIW, I use two Orfoton MC 20 Supers, one strapped for mono on what is an arguably slightly inferior arm and another on the better arm for stereo. Both on the same table, both into the same phono stage. 

In the interest of full disclosure, both Ortofons have been rebuilt (and IMO are significantly better than original), one with a boron cantilever and microridge stylus (that is used for mono but I put about 1000 hours on it playing both stereo and mono records before dedicating it entirely to mono, so am quite familiar with its sound), and the other with a sapphire cantilever and microridge stylus also. 

Both cartridges were rebuilt by Andy at phonocartridgeretipping.com but the boron version did need a completely new coil. The result is that it has a slightly lower output than the other MC 20 Super (not really a big deal as my phono stage has infinitely adjustable gain to compensate for this); not sure but it is possible the internal impedance is slightly different as well. Over the years the MC 20 Super specs seemed to vary in the output department, from .2 mV to .25 mV and the internal impedance was also quoted differently at either 3 ohms or 5 ohms. 

In any event, probably about the closest you can get to comparing the same cartridge in stereo vs mono mode; it's at least closer to most of the comparisons I've read in the forums which is, as folkfreak suggests, a bit of a problem. 

There's no question that, even with a decent strapped to mono cartridge, the presentation is significantly improved on both vintage and modern mono pressings. It might be easy to confuse that presentation with one that is inferior in the high frequencies as (at least IMO) the presentation with a stereo cartridge is thinner, more lightweight and with more sense of "air", resulting in a sense of perhaps more high frequency info being presented. 

In my system at least, this is a bit of an aural illusion, as the strapped mono cartridge presents the high frequencies very well indeed, while the rest of the frequency spectrum is fuller, more fleshed out and robust. Just more solid and realistic, with the high frequency information being presented as much more an integral part of the whole as opposed to in isolation. 

I have to admit that I am biased toward line contact or microridge styli as opposed to conicals and really would not be that interested in owning a cartridge with a conical stylus at this stage, even to play vintage or modern monos. I've done 4 retips on Denon 103R's in the past after running the conical on that cartridge for 1000 hours or so, and although the Denon conical is very good and perhaps one of the best of its kind, it simply gives up too much in performance to a more sophisticated stylus profile in terms of information retrieval and high frequency performance, even with vintage records. 

It is a subjective hobby, but there are obviously some manufacturers of fairly high end mono cartridges (Lyra and Ortofon come to mind) who also believe that a more sophisticated stylus profile is beneficial in mono playback.  
hdm"It is a subjective hobby, but there are obviously some manufacturers of fairly high end mono cartridges (Lyra and Ortofon come to mind) who also believe that a more sophisticated stylus profile is beneficial in mono playback."

hdm,this is exactly why i wanted the ortofon m2 mono se cartridge.

ortofon specially made this to coincide with the issue of the beatles mono box set.

i have the cd version and ,to me, it sounds excellent,

so much so that it inspired me to buy the vinyl mono set and a new turntable and i just felt i wanted this particular cartridge after reading many articles about these records played back with it.

at this point , a friend was able to order one for me so thankfully i will be able to post my impression to everyone here in a week or so.

obviously i will not have other cartridges to compare it to. but i am hoping it sounds amazing (in an "anologuey" way!) 

...or i might be in for a letdown..who knows? we will see.

love this hobby!

mike

by the way,

thanks to all who have contributed to this post.

 i have learned a great deal. analog is all new to me. i wish i had more substantial input offer. but hopefully down the road i can provide some insight on my experiences.

mike
Mikepaul:

I think you will be quite happy with your purchase. Should be a very good matchup as well with the phono board in your preamp which is something that is very, very important.

Just make sure that you are very careful with setup on this new cartridge as the Shibata, unlike the conical, is demanding of very precise setup to get the best from it. Very small adjustments in alignment, azimuth, VTA/SRA and VTF can reap big rewards with this kind of stylus; alternatively, a not so great setup can result in substandard sound.

If you do not have access to some good alignment hardware (I'm partial to the Mint and have a couple) like the Mint or Feickert, and do not have a lot of experience with alignment it may be worthwhile to seek out someone who has a very good protractor and is experienced in alignment to give you a hand.

The Ortofon should prove a very nice choice for you for playing both modern and vintage monos and when you wear it out you can economically improve its performance with a retip using a better cantilever as well.
Mono LP playback seems so basic it should be simple.  And yet there are multiple posts here and in other sites which suggest otherwise.

I don't pretend to have great expertise but since I own a few hundred mono LPs I've done a fair bit of reading on optimizing their playback.  From all that I've drawn two conclusions.  1. It can depend on when the LPs were produced, and 2. How deeply one gets into this may depend on how many mono LPs they own.

The mono cartridge VS mono switch/strapping (either with Y interconnects or hard wiring) a stereo cartridge may relate to how many monos one owns.  If you have only a few, does it make sense to spend the time and money in buying and setting up a mono cartridge?  To me it wouldn't.  I'd use the switch, or find a way of strapping a stereo cartridge if my preamp didn't include one.

For those who decide to buy a mono cartridge, what type should they buy?  I suggest that can be guided by when their mono records were produced.  It is not just a question of true mono VS internally strapped stereo and whether the cartridge has vertical compliance or not, it also brings up stylus size and shape.  I've offered this timeline previously -

Pre-stereo era monos (roughly '48-'57), select a 1.0 mil conical stylus.  

Early stereo era monos (roughly '58-'68), select a 0.7 mil conical stylus.  

Recent mono reissues (mid '90s to present), select a mono cartridge with a modern narrow stylus profile. 

Many early stereo LPs carried warnings against playback with mono cartridges.  I believe that was because of differences in cutter heads.  Groove dimensions have changed over the years. 


J Carr has posted that he believes the modern profile tip styli sound best with their Lyra mono cartridges. He didn't say this but I suspect it is because he auditioned with current mono reissues, produced with stereo cutting heads.  Also, the 1968 date for stereo cutter heads is not an absolute.  Hoffman identifies that date as the time when mono heads began to be phased out (it didn't happen overnight).

Similarly, if you have a number of original mono LPs and you are serious about playback quality, then you'll also need to consider playback EQ.  While the RIAA was adopted in 1955, alternate EQs were still utilized until nearly 1970 by some labels.

At least with 33 1/3 LPs we are not concerned with alternate recording speeds, as are serious 78 collectors.  That is unless of course you have LPs like the original "Kind of Blue" which had a defective tape machine utilized for the master for one side!  ;^)