I am not talking about absolute levels, but relative ones, i.e. a mismatch between output level of the source and input sensitivity of the amp. Pro audio is very good with a properly matching gain structure, but home hifi is often not. I agree about XLR.
Looking for Better Jitter Reduction in a DAC
I'm looking to improve the jitter control in my digital setup, which hopefully will create a more analogue presentation. I own a PS Audio PW Memory Transport, which sports a FPGA, and a Nuwave DSD DAC with a scaled-down version of the gate array.
I have owned a Chord which uses this technology and it was like listening to analogue recordings. I sold it only because it's soundstage was very forward, like sitting in the front row of a concert hall. My current PS Audio setup has wide and deep imaging, as does my Atma-Sphere preamp.
I have auditioned the Schiit Grundir and it was a bit too fast in the attack and transients, but had the dynamics and deep imaging that I like. So, I guess what I'm looking for is a unit with a laid-back, realistic musical presentation.
The Mytek Digital Stereo192 DSD and Blue Circle DAC are in my price range, but there is no way to audition them.
So any recommendation and advice is appreciated. DSD preferred, budget is about $1200 used.
I have owned a Chord which uses this technology and it was like listening to analogue recordings. I sold it only because it's soundstage was very forward, like sitting in the front row of a concert hall. My current PS Audio setup has wide and deep imaging, as does my Atma-Sphere preamp.
I have auditioned the Schiit Grundir and it was a bit too fast in the attack and transients, but had the dynamics and deep imaging that I like. So, I guess what I'm looking for is a unit with a laid-back, realistic musical presentation.
The Mytek Digital Stereo192 DSD and Blue Circle DAC are in my price range, but there is no way to audition them.
So any recommendation and advice is appreciated. DSD preferred, budget is about $1200 used.
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It is entirely possible that the harshness could be from the speakers. Tuner and TT sound fine, but are of course lower than 2.8V output gain. I'm using Gallo floorstanders; 88dB, 8 ohms, a benign impedance curve between 4 and 8 ohms. Gallo uses a very revealing 180 degree radiating tweeter, piezoelectric, no crossover. I have also tried some soft dome bookshelves; 88dB, 8 ohms, and they presented the same harshness or distortion in the highs from digital. Preamp is Atma-Shere UV-1; Line stage output...12V, 17V RMS at clipping. Output impedance... 400 Ohms. No specs for input sensitivity. It must be low since VC is at about 8 to 9 o'clock, 11 o'clock for TT. Ralph installed a 6 dB pad in the AUX input for a digital device. I am now bypassing the preamp and DAC is going direct to amp. Amp is a TAD-60 (Tube Audio Design); Input Sensitivity is 1.0V with variable gain control, Input Impedance…100K ohms. TAD recommends that the gain control be turned to max when using a preamp. I need to leave it at 12:00 on the dial. The DAC has a fixed output. @willemj , thanks for that very interesting Harbeth link. |
So: 1 problem also exists with other speakers 2 problem disappears using sources with lower output levels 3 already powerful signal with VC at 8 or 9 o’clock 4 problem disappears when pre amp is out of the chain. 4 has the greatest practical importance. For those who want to know the cause of the problem, I think it is now almost certain that the input of the pre amplifier was clipping because the input sensitivity was too high/ the source too hot. If this analysis is indeed correct, and if you want to keep your pre amplifier in the chain, all you need to do is replace the 6 dB pad with a 12 or even 18 dB pad. You may wel have stumbled on what I think was the reason digital had/has a bad reputation. It was not the quality of the signal, but the gain mismatch between the players’ output and the amplifiers that people were using. Are you happy with the sound you are using now? I am not quite sure what your current gear does or does not do, but an outboard volume control (passive amplifier by an inappropriate name) could be useful, and if not for you maybe for others. Here is one: http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/ |
The Harbeth article is a good one for beginner audiophiles. Thx Willem. Frankly, if an audio enthusiast has never considered the points raised by Alan Shaw of Harbeth, then they are waisting their money by pursuing a high-fidelity hobby without any understanding of how anything works. This is like flying without a pilot’s license only not as hazardous. This is like scuba diving or sky diving without taking necessary training and becoming certified. These are the type of uninformed audiophile enthusiasts (and there are soooo many) that are easy prey to the "you obviously need another high $$$$ cable" salesmen. |
Hi Shadorne, That is absolutely right, but the sad thing is that there are many consumer audio products that suffer from this issue. You use pro audio grade gear, and there gain matching is taken very seriously - and quite rightly so. In the old days designers like Peter Walker vary carefully tried to find the sweet spot between too much gain with clipping as a result, and too little, but excessive noise as a result. Let's indeed hope that this did solve the problem, and that the OP can stop worrying about all kinds of imaginary issues. |
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