Upgrade from Audio Physic Virgos to ???


Hi Folks:
I've been enjoying my Audio Physic Virgo IIs for about a year and a half now, but am getting the upgrade bug. I'm keen to hear some upgrade suggestions. I love the Virgos, especially the soundstage they provide. However, I'm assuming that with more $$ I should be able to get even speaker for my money. I'm particularly interested in hearing from ex Virgo owners who've upgraded and have been happy with their new speakers. I'm also particularly interested in high efficiencey designs as I may move to lower output amps like SET or OTL. A couple of speakers I'd be interested in are JM Labs Mezzo Utopia, AP Avanti III and Coincident Total Eclipse. My room is relatively small though (the Mezzo Utopia may be more appropriate given room restrictions) at about 14by16 feet. Current system includes Blue Circle BC2 amps (75wpc, class A), Supratek Syrah preamp, YBA CD1a cd player, Teres 135/OL Silver/Shelter 501mk2 vinyl rig. Thanks,
Outlier.
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Outlier, could you indicate the way to convince you to NOT change the speakers, for now, and concetrate room acoustics, wires, s/ware -- or whatever will keep your upgraditis bug at bay? You have a very well balanced system with top notch components. Bear with me, just buy music instead of h/ware; try it for a few months, then come back! OR, try diy cables --just for fun it might tame the upgrade bug(I tried it, it worked) . Cheers
Hey GregM, thanks for the good advice. Yea, I might consider just holding still with the speakers if the upgrade would be too expensive for a small improvement, but I'm really keen to see if such an upgrade would make a significant, material impact on the sound. My budget would likely be about $5k for a used set of speakers. In terms of acoustic treatment, I just ordered some today believe it or not. I'll see how it works out - it's ProForm stuff from Audioadvisor. The price seemed really cheap - $149 for twelve 24inch by 24inch foam treatments. I'm excited to try them. Also, I plan on upgrading my turntable next month from Teres 135 to 245 which should set me back $1,100 but I'm finding it real hard to fight that upgrade bug ;-)

Finally, on the cable front, I think things are 'in hand' there. I'm using FIM Gold PCs for power amps, a far cheaper Shunyata Sidewinder for preamp, but I think my preamp is rather indifferent to PC used, so I'm not sure money will be well spent on upgrades there. For ICs and SCs I use 47Labs OTA Sakura. I'd be keen to try upgrades there but I'm not sure if I'll get much improvement without spending a lot of money. I'm open to ideas though. Thanks!
Outlier
The acoustic stuff will keep you going. Amazing results, believe it or not! Try Rives' site for some info & guidance on that subject.
IMHO pls don't sink 5k hardearned $ in speakers. If anything, try a subwoof, i.e. don't buy one, just borrow one. The Teres upgrade will make a difference. What can I say, in my book you've got a "textbook" system. A Neuance shelf under my TT & CDP & pre made a difference; maybe equip support could yield that extra sonic ounce from the system! Cheers
About 2 years I went from virgo II's to Wilson Watt/Puppy 6's. Wow. Should be a good match with your current set up. 6's are pretty reasonable used. Bass will extend much lower, better detail, better transients, more focus. Stage and depth some, what you have a pretty good at imaging!
Outlier -
I'd agree with other comments that getting the "synergy" right will provide you more improvement for $'s than simply replacing Virgos.

Two years ago, I compared Virgos II to JMLab Mini Utopias and bought Mini Utopias. Now that I have Meadowlark Osprey, I realize that a really good full range speaker is better than a superb speaker that only goes to 45hz. If you love the Virgos for the soundstaging then suggest you audition the Alon Lotus Elite Signature. While not as good at soundstaging as the Alon I found the Osprey a more complete speaker.

What rack are you using ? I had an Arici 4 shelf which made a significant improvement. Four months ago I went to RixRax Hoodoo partly due to usability issues. And it is also outstanding. With your Teres, using really good rack and/or shelf can make a big difference.

Are you using a power conditioner ?
I had AudioPrism Foundation 3 for last 3 years then bought a used XE-12. The XE-12 made a audible improvement. Since you are considering going to HT then getting a really good 8 or 12 outlet device would provide you significant improvement. Jim Weill told me that 12S is noticeably better than XE-12.

Another relatively inexpensive audible improvement, for me, was moving from BDR cones to StillPoints under my XA777es and ZH-270.

If you want to go with Coincident speaker then suggest you talk with Israel Blmue and audition the MP300B. If you like the sound then sell your BC2 mono amps.

- Ken