How expensive are best NOS tubes ? And how difficult to find ?


Phono stages, preamps and power amps. Any non-Chinese adequate substitutes? I know that if you have Lamm, Vladimir has a few sets of Russian tubes in stock for each particular unit, and it is not really expensive to retube them. But if you have, say, VAC or CAT or Atma-Sphere and want best longest lasting and most reliable tubes, what then ? Don't ask me why not Chinese, I can't talk about it here except that I don't trust their quality control.
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Yes, very good points. I can see that I will have nothing to worry about when it comes to NOS tubes for the phono and preamp. Where you get the tubes is very important. As for the power amps, well, it is going to cost but should be worth it.
Thank you everyone. I think, this thread is helpful for anyone considering a big move into the world of tube electronics.
some tube gear manufacturers have specific sellers/stores they recommend to their customers seeking NOS tubes...
jl35

that is exactly how I met Andy at Vintage
i spoke with Glen at Aesthetix about potential tuberolling in my Pandora DAC and Glen sent me to Andy

VAC gear is voiced to sound like a VAC with the stock tubes -- which are generally very carefully selected Chinese tubes, but sometimes military overstock NOS. I got mixed results rolling NOS tubes into the Renaissance Mk 3 preamp; the stock tubes (mostly Chinese Penta-Labs labeled 12AX7) ended up going back in, *except* for a very specially selected "MC grade" single 12AX7 in the phono stage (RCA) from Andy at Vintage Tube Services.

Some gear is voiced very specifically for the tubes it ships with, which will usually be Chinese and/or Russian. That can be good or bad. I think it’s good in VAC’s case; if you bought a VAC is was probably because you fell in love with their "house" sound. And that's what you get, with no fuss! In other scenarios, I’m not sure it’s a great idea to voice gear around Electro Harmonix 12AX7/12AU7/6SN7/EL34/6CA7/KT90 -- those tubes are much zingier up top, and grainier, than the numerous other alternatives (but the EH is cheap).

In my Rogue amps I go nuts rolling small signal NOS, because they respond very well to it. It actually shipped with all EH tubes and sounded bright (imagine my shock), which it SHOULD because that’s how those EH tubes are. Nowadays I've settled on Mazda silver plate 12AX7 (rare and very expensive at 350-400 a matched pair) and Sylvania Black Plate 12BH7 (rare but not too expensive when found), after MUCH experimentation with the usual suspects. The sonic difference is WELL worth the cost to me. Now that I know what I want and what it should sound like, I will in fact source used Ebay tubes if I have to -- if it sounds great it probably is good.
Isn't it unfortunate that even premium Western manufacturers are dependent on Chinese and Russian tubes ? To put it another way, if it were not for them we might not see VAC and other equipment except for some very expensive pieces with NOS tubes. Not to mention that there are probably many outsourced parts in the equipment. Hell, it's almost like Great Britain that no longer makes steel and matches. What are they doing over there ?
No, I wouldn't buy tubes on ebay, I would buy at reliable places.