Klipsch Palladium P-39F?

Tigerwoodkhorns,
Where did I give the impression I was against your comments, your system, or klipsch? As a matter of fact I think klipsch is very good, and from all my comments above say the palladiums I bet are pretty great, but a little out of their element price wise I am sure? Sorry you feel your system is junk.

...I heard them twice at Minchen 2008 high end show, 3 month ago. The P-39F seem to emphasided certain tones over their neighbors in the bass. Midrange was very good, treble was a little glassiness. Stage was more forward then the other 4 speakers on the test.
From the 5 speakers on the "Stereoplay" magazine contest, they were the less successful. Here is a link to my coverage, sorry about the language (-:
http://www.dtown.co.il/index.php?news=399

Thanks for the post Tomer_tsin. I new I was in trouble when I could not even tell what language it was though lol.

It is disappointing to here you did not like them. I was thinking they would have sound stage issues but would make up for it with detail and dynamics. Your statement "treble was a little glassiness" was not what I was hoping to hear.

Anyway how was the punch/slam of the bass/lower mids. I don't think the forwardness of the midrange would bother me. I used to listen to a pair of Grado RS-1s in college for many many hours. I got uses to very forward mids to say the least and I grew to like it (knowing it was not natural... but fun).

The tweeter comment is a disappointment. Did they use an bright amp like a Krell? I would guess tubes or a laid back amp like Mac or Classe is needed.

Undertow - it looked like you were classifying B&W's 800's as "midgrade" Anyway, no problem.

Tigerwoodkhorns
Sorry, I was misunderstood.. I was illustrating no doubt B&W and Klipsch both start out at lower and mid levels, and the name of both is in all stores(almost as bose is)and yes compared to each other all the time sitting on the floor next to each other in many retail environments.. I do realize the nautilus series etc.. Go up to a much higher cost which is where the palladiums kick in...
Obviously both companies do make some stuff considered mid-fi, however they both go up substantially from there as well. .

I use to sell both in a store about 10 years ago, honestly the B&W 600 series I think were the ones, they sounded really nice in a few models, the bookshelfs were better than the klipsch offerings at the time as well, I have no problem with B&W at all. For the right price they can do well...

But are not really what I consider a product coming from a sound perspective related to Klipsch at all, 2 totally different things was my only point, so having a price scheme to compete with B&W is one thing, but I have no idea where anybody would relate the actual products as they both present a sound and product on 2 different ends of the spectrum.

I mean B&W sound would much more be comprable to what Wilson or the more conventional hifi designs are doing in my opinion, thats the actual competition.