My apologies_Upgrade path from Wilson WattPuppy 7's?


Folks-

I am the naive person who posted about which speaker to buy next, my system is all McIntosh, except for the downloaded high-resolution music content. Since I have price limitations, I have been attempting to audition loudspeakers under $15K, preferably used or demos. In various stores, I have heard the following:
  • Vandersteen Quarto CT's: Great bass, but an active system that does not seem to resolve high mid-range strings like a Wilson;
  • Triton GoldenEar Reference;
  • Sonus Faber Venere S and Olympica's, great sound in the store.
Currently, I am auditioning (in-house) Wilson Yvette speakers (it cost $400 for an in-house demo), and they sound great to me, but they are too expensive, even at a reduced demo price.  I started comparing frequency and impedance curves where I could obtain them (mostly Hi-Fi news from the U.K.), but I am becoming too obsessive about this.

So, I guess I could buy the Wilson Sabrina or Wilson Sasha WP (discontinued Series 1), since I seem to like the Wilson sound. Any advice?

Thanks again - Gerry
gerryah930
Audiotroy:
So you would not sell Wilsons because you claim incorrectly that they raise their prices over minor changes.  First, their changes from generation to generation usually involve many changes, some of which do not involve different drivers but many internal changes and some of which involve new drivers as well as numerous internal changes. 
 Of course, Wilson would never permit Audio Doctor to sell their products if you wanted to because, as you know, one of their dealer requirements is a brick and mortar store with appropriate listening rooms--- not a business run out of a personal residence as Audio Doctor does.
Toddverrone:
I appreciate your observation if you read this thread in a vacuum. I too might find Audiotroy's comments enlightening if I saw his comments on one or two threads only. However, you must look at Audiotroy's past post history to see his consistent habit and practice of invading threads having nothing to do with products he sells. His M.O. is to ostensibly educate the thread participants and the OP by pointing out why the product under discussion should be reconsidered in light of a better product or products which he just happens to sell. He especially likes to invade virtually any thread involving Wilsons to criticize the brand and/or to promote Paradigms and Legacys which, what a shock, he just happens to sell. It is really quite pathetic and annoying.  
Grgr4blu, as usual we are here again.

Please look at both Geryah’s comments as well as Brownsf, if you remember Brownsf, was the gentleman with 20+ year old Proac Response series who after demoing a current set of Wilson’s was questioning if the Wilson’s were better.

To which we replied if you are not sure if a 20+ pair of speakers isn’t totally bettered by a modern set of speakers you are not convinced.

If you notice both Gerryah and Brownsf had issues with Wilson.

If your much vaulted Wilson’s were so magnificent, and so perfect for everyone, there would not be so many posters having issues.

As per cost differences in Wilson upgrades, please keep drinking the koolaid, do you honestly think that for the changes in materials from Sasha one to a Shasha two actually cost that much compared to the change in retail price?

In the case of Brownsf, he went and started listening to other options and interesting enough two of the speakers he liked KEF and Paradigm are brands we endorse, and one the Monitor Audio’s we do not.

What is interesting in Brownsf case if after evaluating the competition he is suddenly off of his Wilson hunt, I wonder why?

As per your comment about Home Based vs Conventional dealers, again you are just plain wrong, look at Neo Plus Ultra in Texas who is a Wilson Dealer,Audio Unlimited which is closed now in Colorado, Audio Limits also in Colorado, Gtt audio in NJ, Command A/V in Virginia, Audio Revelation and there are many others, many of these dealers are also run out of a Home location or are off the path or are located in a Home which was turned into a store, by the way what exactly constitues a store.

By definition a store is a place where mechandise is displayed isn't it? 

You mistake that we are a conventional brick and mortar run out of a private home vs a hobbist that usually only sell off brand esoteric proudcts and has a regular job

 We choose to do business this way as do many of the other dealers as it allows for lower business costs, instead of having to have rent on a store space, and a home mortgage, we have only one payment a month, it allows us greater freedom to purchase display equipment and to offer choice.

You will notice that we do not sell Mcintosh, why we feel that CJ, or BAT or Vac or a dozen other companies make generally better sounding products.

Most retailors have reasons why they endorse and don’t endorse certain lines.

We also don’t sell Rahido, why because they are wildly over in-flated for a company with woodern cabinets made in China coupled with those drivers which are expensive they just don’t add up.

We don’t love a famous British Monitor that is well loved with a lively wooden cabinet, please explain why a two way with limited bass and treble is worth $6,500.00? vs an ATC which costs $4,000.00?

One of our over ridding themes in why and how we select and promote products is the concept of value for dollar, if a product doesn’t offer that we are not interested in working with that company.

If you look at our history the products we promote challenge the status quo and usually cost 1/2 to 1/3 the products they are being compared to while many dealers continue to promote brands which offer marginal differences for maximium cost.

As your issue is with us being a home dealer lets look at just some of our eight listening areas, not featured KEF Blades, Paradigm Personas, Reference Amp Rack, Reference preamps and digital, turntables, starter audio room’s three listening areas.


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Doesn’t look like a home based dealer now does it? Looks pretty brick and mortar to us.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ








sorry Audiotroy. I actually don't bother to read your long winded defensive responses. You use way too many words. You remind me of Bo. Have you read Bo's posts? I don't know who does. It's the music I care about, not hot air.
Keep it short and I'll read it.

Thanks willemj. We need more like you to stop forum pollution.
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