My apologies_Upgrade path from Wilson WattPuppy 7's?


Folks-

I am the naive person who posted about which speaker to buy next, my system is all McIntosh, except for the downloaded high-resolution music content. Since I have price limitations, I have been attempting to audition loudspeakers under $15K, preferably used or demos. In various stores, I have heard the following:
  • Vandersteen Quarto CT's: Great bass, but an active system that does not seem to resolve high mid-range strings like a Wilson;
  • Triton GoldenEar Reference;
  • Sonus Faber Venere S and Olympica's, great sound in the store.
Currently, I am auditioning (in-house) Wilson Yvette speakers (it cost $400 for an in-house demo), and they sound great to me, but they are too expensive, even at a reduced demo price.  I started comparing frequency and impedance curves where I could obtain them (mostly Hi-Fi news from the U.K.), but I am becoming too obsessive about this.

So, I guess I could buy the Wilson Sabrina or Wilson Sasha WP (discontinued Series 1), since I seem to like the Wilson sound. Any advice?

Thanks again - Gerry
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Grgr4blu, as usual we are here again.

Please look at both Geryah’s comments as well as Brownsf, if you remember Brownsf, was the gentleman with 20+ year old Proac Response series who after demoing a current set of Wilson’s was questioning if the Wilson’s were better.

To which we replied if you are not sure if a 20+ pair of speakers isn’t totally bettered by a modern set of speakers you are not convinced.

If you notice both Gerryah and Brownsf had issues with Wilson.

If your much vaulted Wilson’s were so magnificent, and so perfect for everyone, there would not be so many posters having issues.

As per cost differences in Wilson upgrades, please keep drinking the koolaid, do you honestly think that for the changes in materials from Sasha one to a Shasha two actually cost that much compared to the change in retail price?

In the case of Brownsf, he went and started listening to other options and interesting enough two of the speakers he liked KEF and Paradigm are brands we endorse, and one the Monitor Audio’s we do not.

What is interesting in Brownsf case if after evaluating the competition he is suddenly off of his Wilson hunt, I wonder why?

As per your comment about Home Based vs Conventional dealers, again you are just plain wrong, look at Neo Plus Ultra in Texas who is a Wilson Dealer,Audio Unlimited which is closed now in Colorado, Audio Limits also in Colorado, Gtt audio in NJ, Command A/V in Virginia, Audio Revelation and there are many others, many of these dealers are also run out of a Home location or are off the path or are located in a Home which was turned into a store, by the way what exactly constitues a store.

By definition a store is a place where mechandise is displayed isn't it? 

You mistake that we are a conventional brick and mortar run out of a private home vs a hobbist that usually only sell off brand esoteric proudcts and has a regular job

 We choose to do business this way as do many of the other dealers as it allows for lower business costs, instead of having to have rent on a store space, and a home mortgage, we have only one payment a month, it allows us greater freedom to purchase display equipment and to offer choice.

You will notice that we do not sell Mcintosh, why we feel that CJ, or BAT or Vac or a dozen other companies make generally better sounding products.

Most retailors have reasons why they endorse and don’t endorse certain lines.

We also don’t sell Rahido, why because they are wildly over in-flated for a company with woodern cabinets made in China coupled with those drivers which are expensive they just don’t add up.

We don’t love a famous British Monitor that is well loved with a lively wooden cabinet, please explain why a two way with limited bass and treble is worth $6,500.00? vs an ATC which costs $4,000.00?

One of our over ridding themes in why and how we select and promote products is the concept of value for dollar, if a product doesn’t offer that we are not interested in working with that company.

If you look at our history the products we promote challenge the status quo and usually cost 1/2 to 1/3 the products they are being compared to while many dealers continue to promote brands which offer marginal differences for maximium cost.

As your issue is with us being a home dealer lets look at just some of our eight listening areas, not featured KEF Blades, Paradigm Personas, Reference Amp Rack, Reference preamps and digital, turntables, starter audio room’s three listening areas.


https://www.facebook.com/122499304489958/photos/pcb.1738410759565463/1738410582898814/?type=3&th...

https://www.facebook.com/122499304489958/photos/pcb.1738410759565463/1738410389565500/?type=3&th...

https://www.facebook.com/122499304489958/photos/pcb.1738410759565463/1738410199565519/?type=3&th...

https://www.facebook.com/122499304489958/photos/pcb.1738410759565463/1738409832898889/?type=3&th...

Doesn’t look like a home based dealer now does it? Looks pretty brick and mortar to us.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ








sorry Audiotroy. I actually don't bother to read your long winded defensive responses. You use way too many words. You remind me of Bo. Have you read Bo's posts? I don't know who does. It's the music I care about, not hot air.
Keep it short and I'll read it.

Thanks willemj. We need more like you to stop forum pollution.
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Grgr4blu, maybe you should learn to open up your eyes as well as your ears.

You obviously don't read people's reservations, Gerryah and Brownsf, had or have with Wilsons products. 

No brand is perfect and we all appreciate different things. however, today especially there are a number of great products that offer fantastic performance for less money then ever before.  

I never see you mention a Golden Ear Reference, the new Magico A3, or a Legacy. Your time lambasting the Personas at dealers with dubious setup leads to your findings "of not liking Beryilium drivers," when most of the audio community and reviewers alike are chiming in that the Persona series is a breakthrough in sound quality for the price. 

That is one reason why we sell many brands of loudspeakers, you with your ever toading behavior is only ever talkng about Wilson although you say you have no loyalties to the brand you only seem to chime in with your opinions when the OP is mirroring your own.

If you are such a great source of audio knowledge when someone has an issue with a Wilson why don't you ever try to steer that person into looking at another product or brand? 

That is the difference between you and us, we make recommendations on many different products some we sell and some we do not. 

Please try to refrain from your standard sensibilties to attack us and instead offer the OP some of your fabulous guidance. perhaps and if the OP has issues with your brand  of choice, maybe the wiser consul is to recommend something else. 

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ