New Yggdrasil - First (and second) Impressions


Okay, so I’ve finally (on order over 2 months) received my Schiit Yggdrasil. The unit arrived in exactly perfect condition (i.e. well packaged).

Upon first (and second) listening through all sources/inputs, I would need a stethoscope to discern any difference among my current components and connectivity. I also cannot detect any difference using the phase inversion button.

I suppose the aforementioned is a testament to how good my current system (before/without Yggy) already sounds. :)

I can easily A-B test because the Yggy is hooked in via balanced and my other components are also hooked directly to amp via RCA or USB.

Also, obviously I have NOT let the unit "burn in" for days because I just got it, however, it has come to full operational temperature after being powered on continuously over 24 hours.

System configuration: (Yggdrasil > XLR > Musical Fidelity M6si integrated amplifier > Golden Ear Triton Reference speakers )
all cables blue jeans cables "best" offering

Emotiva ERC-3 CD player > AES/EBU > Yggdrasil
Oppo UDP-205 blue ray player > coax > Yggdrasil
Samsung SMT-C5320 cable box > optical > Yggdrasil
Gateway NV79 Windows 10 64-bit computer > USB > Yggdrasil

I’ll be patient, but if there are any suggestions to "try" in order to hear *some* audible difference, that would be great. Appreciate any feedback you have.

Thanks.
128x128gdhal
I wouldn’t bet the farm on that observation, bc.

I’ve had many components that did not display their true character until nearly a month. Nordost’s interconnects typically take several weeks to mature into their full sound. I well remember the Frey 2 sounding GREAT out of the box, although it certainly had a pronounced treble. I, nonetheless, commanded the presence of 3 friends who attend symphonies regularly. They were dumbfounded, and this was only 10 days into my ownership. We all heard the brightness, but the separation of instruments - even on a Moody Blues album - was phenomenal, and I’m used to components of the highest quality. I remember the exact day, when a friend of mine, who is a conductor, came over and marveled at the amount of harmonic information he heard in my system. Ironically, that was the very day that I heard the change in the system and was initially nonplussed: the brightness had diminished somewhat and this was exactly 30 days of continuous play 24/7. It wasn’t that the sound wasn’t fantastic in the way that it had been up to that point, but it was less ’bright’. There was actually, LESS "excitement" in the music, but later on, after my conductor friend left, I realized it sounded more the way music sounds in a good concert hall. Sometimes, the "exciting" phase is not actually the sound truest to the live musical experience, meaning the sense of not hearing "reproduced" music, but hearing something pretty close to flat-out LIVE. And I was less overwhelmed when that brightness subsided, but then I recognized that I could hear more of the inner detail: the keys on clarinets "clacking," the "jitter" that occurs when you hear music close up, which is not an artifact, but the actual artistry of the musician’s playing (and different than the term "micro-dynamics"). THAT came much more into existence when the break-in period was winding down, although if you had TOLD me that the sound was going to improve in that particular way, I would have found that hard to imagine. It was just more "real," and I hear "real" every week.

We tend to make guesses about components without actually knowing. When the WATTS first came out in 1986, people were outraged that Wilson charged $4400 for a "mini-monitor" speaker. Time has changed that particular attitude. I had them back then, and kept hearing people who hadn’t heard them make sounds of disapproval. And I thought: well, I have it. And you don’t. So how can you - with any authority - tell me that I was gypped. Nobody says that now, of course. But they did back then.

Shunyata INSISTS that the sound of their power cords stabilizes after 125 hours. I don’t know how THEY get that result, but I - and many, MANY other owners - have observed the sound to blossom fully around 400 hours. The Nordost Frey interconnects CLEARLY changed on the 30th day, which means 168/week for 4 weeks and 2 days, which is over 700 hours. And if you read Roy Gregory’s reviews (and he is among the most careful of ALL reviewers in detailing the time factor involved, particularly with Nordost), he found the same thing, give or take a few days. Perhaps running the interconnects thru the CD player wasn’t enough "power" to fully break them in, but however it was that he did it, the break-in time was a month. It may be true also of this Yggdrasil, but only time will tell.

@gbmcleod 

Kindly posts your impressions of the Yggdrasil when and if you feel appropriate to do so. I look forward to reading it.
Gdhal-

Good that you recognize that the balanced output of the Yggy might be better than the SE.  I understand your desire for an apples to apples comparison with the Oppo, but I think an equally valid comparison is "best" to "best".  Certainly, if you are keeping the Yggy, you will want the best sound out of it.

Here is where I first heard of the difference:

http://tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Schiit_mod.html 

"2. If you are using the coax (single ended rca's) outputs then you need to take the single ended signal from the xlr connectors for much better sound. There is a summing circuit after the balanced circuits that is not super transparent. This mod eliminates this circuit. You can get or make adapters to use (you use just pins 1 and 2 and you leave 3 unterminated....important!). Another way would be to put xlrs on your cables that use just pins 1 and 2. Another even more transparent way is to hardwired (more on this later). This mod will make the DAC way more transparent and clear.....mucho better."

Enjoy!!

I would suspect that if you had a lower jitter source to the Shiit DAC to start with, there would be an obvious difference between the OPPO and the Shiit DAC.

Making a comparison using the OPPO as a CD transport is okay, but only if you are comparing two DACs driven by the OPPO S/PDIF digital output signal. Even then , I would argue that you need a lower jitter signal to tell what the DAC’s can actually do.

Using the OPPO as a DAC only and driving the OPPO DAC and the Shiit DAC from a low jitter S/PDIF source is a valid comparison betweenthe OPPO DAC and the Shiit DAC.

Trying to compare the OPPO analog outputs to the Shiit DAC analog outputs, driven by the OPPO digital output (and coax cable) is inconclusive. The jitter inside the OPPO is probably lower than the OPPO S/PDIF jitter, so even though the DAC in the OPPO is maybe not as good as the Shiit, the lower jitter will cause it to sound better or at least different.  The S/PDIF cable alone could easily skew the results, depending on the jitter that it adds.

The point is that the selection of the source (and S/PDIF cable) is critical when comparing two DACs. The lower the jitter, the better.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio



I would suspect that if you had a lower jitter source to the Shiit DAC to start with, there would be an obvious difference between the OPPO and the Shiit DAC.
Perhaps. Logically what you are stating does makes sense.

I've read a quite a bit of information about transports here on Agon, and like much of everything else there is some disagreement, however, in this regard. In my particular case, besides the level of contentment I already have with the sound of my system, I am (for now) electing to side with the camp that would argue that any high-end DAC that purportedly has jitter control, reclocking and so forth will employ those functions regardless of how "clean" or "dirty" the incoming signal is to begin with.

So, I'm "relying" on the Yggdrasil to essentially "do its job" and what I believe I paid for, which is to correct the jitter, irrespective of how low or high it is to begin with.