Hypex N core module


Did you have experience with amplifier based on Hypex - NCore Technologies  
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Naturally your not going to tell us how it’s done, I’m hope for you that you can do it, but also sceptical at the same time, as minds more attuned to solid state Class-D topology than yours have not succeeded, save for Technics who are half the way there.
I'll be happy to after the patent is approved. That EE turned out useful after all...
Just an FYI, and to correct any misconceptions about us.

We used to use all the Hypex modules from the NC1200 in the VERITAS Monoblocks, down to NC500 in the Taranis. While we have a superb implementation of these modules,  based on direct comparisons done by others to the same modules in other units, we understood there was more to be had.

We will shortly be introducing our proprietary designs which takes the level of performance up an order of magnitude, and rivals any of the best of classes available. Using our proprietary ZXOL design that has no feedback loop, we are able to achieve this exceptional performance. 

We are stepping that up even more with other design and engineering techniques.

Look for us at Munich 2018 in ATRIUM 4.2 E226 where we will be showcasing this exceptional sound.

Reviewers will be getting their units in February/March. Some have the proof of concept heard it at CAF 2018 and their impressions were in the November Newsletter.

Here is a sample of what is to come.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/absolute-top-tier-dac-for-standard-res-redbook-cd/post?highli...
" We will shortly be introducing our proprietary designs which takes the level of performance up an order of magnitude, and rivals any of the best of classes available. Using our proprietary ZXOL design that has no feedback loop, we are able to achieve this exceptional performance."

Hi merrillaudio,
     I'm a bit surprised you're going to cease using Hypex NCore 1200 power modules in your amps and use your own proprietary ZXOL design modules, instead.  I'm not questioning this decision but I am curious why you decided to go without a feedback loop.
     I'm not an engineer or amp designer but I have a strong interest in class D technology.  I recall reading an interview with the inventor of Hypex NCore technology, Bruno Putzeys, in which he explained why he believed there was no such thing as too much feedback in the design of his class D circuits.  
     Are you currently able to state your reasons for deciding to eliminate a feedback loop in your design?
   Thanks,
     Tim
Feedback, while suppressing distortion, adds some of its own.

In addition, it is a destabilizing factor in any amplifier design. 'Stable' means that it is resistant to oscillation.

The distortion added by feedback contributes to brightness (a coloration) and hardness (which is unpleasant); both due to the ear's quality of converting all forms of distortion into tonality.

So far we've been running our class D zero feedback as well. Output impedance does not suffer, so driving a load really isn't the problem. Controlling distortion is, but if you are careful with the design that can be controlled too.
Hi Ralph,

     Thank you for your informative response. 
      I've been reading for decades that negative feedback in traditional linear amps should be avoided since it (sorry, no pun intended)  negatively affects its sonic performance, especially in the upper frequencies.  I've taken this as the gospel truth ever since I first learned about the use of feedback in amps. 
      Since I've become interested in class D amps in the last few years and began reading about how it works, however,  several articles and white papers I've read have caused me to rethink my view of negative feedback in class D amps.  For example, here's a quote on this subject from an interview with Bruno Putzeys, inventor of UcD and Hypex NCore technology:

"If you take a simple amplifier which has acceptable distortion (just a second harmonic is what I use as an example) and you start applying feedback, harmonics will appear that were not there originally. Higher-order harmonics, even and odd, turn up out of the blue. So if you apply a little bit of feedback, the second harmonic that you wanted to reduce drops by a little, but out of the blue you get this whole smattering of high harmonics. It is quite understandable that this doesn’t sound good. That observation has been made and published by various people over the years, but the most important conclusion was never drawn: If you keep increasing feedback, if you turn the feedback knob up and up and up, you quickly hit a point where those distortion products all start coming down again and the signal does start getting cleaner. And if you get to very large amounts of feedback, the result is just supersmooth. So that is why I say that it is normal for an experimenter to experience that if you take a good-sounding zero-feedback amplifier and add 6dB of feedback, the result sounds worse. They heard that right. But had they been in a position to add 60dB, well then, suddenly they would have been confronted with a sound that is little short of magical."  

     I've always respected your audio knowledge and found your posts very informative.  I have no desire to start an argument with you and I'm fairly sure you've forgotten more about good amp design than I've ever known.  
     I'm just very interested on your thoughts about negative feedback in class D amps.  Here's the link to the entire Bruno Putzeys interview I quoted from above:
www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/features-menu/general-interest-interviews-menu/455-searching-for-t...
Thank you,
   Tim