Thank you Don for your comments. This past Saturday I spent over an hour listening to the 1.7 and then the vandersteen 1cis... the Maggie's were very very good huge soundstage but to the point when I switched to the vandersteen 1ci's..I heard spatial cues and stuff in my CDs which I've heard for years and years that I never heard before at that point I was convinced that the Vandersteen were more resolving and more revealing than even the Maggie's., some of the comments here have been I should go for the 2ce, While others put me on to the vlr. I'm so grateful that I was led to the VLRs cuz that's where I live real accurate reproduction and I purchase them over the larger 1ci is because I don't need Bass I have a subwoofer and a crossover that I'm going to use. Maybe one day on a whim I'll order the mmg's but when I was at the dealer he suggested forget the they are just an appetizer the 1.7 is really where you want to be that's where you really want to start. I think listening through an all tube integrated might have soften the overall response. The Rogue I'm sure is real quality stuff. I owned IIIa's in the 90s...i know the sound.. Also know.. I don't have the amp right now to feed the 1.7's properly. I really really lucked out finding 4 year old VLRS for 700.00...it was too good to pass up. I appreciate your enthusiasm for Magna pan... Maybe another time...