Vandersteen 2Wq subwoofers with M5-HP crossovers - help needed


I have been happily using a pair of Vandy 2Wq subs with single-ended M5-HP crossovers for a few years now. My system was dialed in the way I like it (bass a bit on the full side, but still tight and defined). I just had my amplifier repaired and upgraded, and the new input impedance is 22k ohms vs. the 10k ohms before the upgrade. I followed the Vandersteen recommendation for the jumper settings in the M5-HP (6 and 7 only, "on" or not open), and the bass is just about MIA altogether. As per the Vandy web site, I disregarded the chart on the case of the M5-HP and followed the chart on the web site.  Because I am an idiot, I didn’t bother to mark down the settings of the jumpers prior to changing them. Anybody have any suggestions for me that will restore the bass? I am pretty sure the issue is the jumper settings. Thanks in advance!
bondmanp
Are you sure the possible exhausted batteries can cause output level problems? I was under the impression that the batteries, like Audioquest's DBS battery packs had more to due with the dielectric of the signal thru the interconnects. More of an SQ problem. Not output.
@mr_m  What provoked me to open up my M5-HPs were a loss of output from my subs.  Once I played music with lots of deep bass and heard a lack of it I realized the crossover batteries were shot.

You may also be right about the batteries charging dielectric as Richard was in on the development of dbs with Bill Low.
The DBS battery has zip to do with output
they bias or form the dialectric and are not in the circuit

a dead battery will effect sound but not volume 

you have other issues


@gdnrbob - In 2012 I had Lithium batteries installed.  Date in Sharpie for replacement is 2022.  Batteries have expiration date of 2020, so I was hoping they would last past 2018.


@mr_m - I am sure of nothing.  This would be the first time I replace batteries since I bought the M5-HPs.

@tomic601 - (Atomic!  I get it!)  I tend to agree with you.  Here is a sequence of changes in my system:


I was really digging the sound of my system, including the 2Wqs, when I upgraded cables connecting my DAC to my pre.  This was in June of 2017, IIRC.  The cables were a definite improvement, although I did notice a slight reduction in overal bass output.  I chalked it up to cable differences and resolved to increase the output of 2Wqs as soon as I had some time (the controls are not that accessible, and I mass load the 2Wqs, so it is a bit of a project to move everything around).  Before I had gotten to adjusting the levels of the 2Wqs, my amp croaked on me.  After speaking with the designer/builder of the amp, I decided to send it in for repairs and upgrades.  The upgrades included almost all new interior parts (circuit board, transformer, wiring, etc.).  This took three months (don't ask), so for three months, the 2Wqs and M5-HPs sat unpowered and disconnected.


When the amp finally came back last week, I connected everything, and adjusted the M5-HPs to 20k (single ended) to reflect the change in input impedance of the upgraded amp from 10k to 22k (Johnny's concerns notwithstanding, I doubt my amp builder would get the input impedance wrong; he is a bit of a wiz at these things).  While the upgraded amp has much to offer over the amp as it was before, the bass is just MIA.  I know some additional burn-in time might be needed, but this is extreme absence of bass below ~150Hz.   If I max out the bass control on my preamp, I get an acceptable level of bass, but it lacks punch and extension.  Doing that did, at least, allow me to determine that the 2Wqs are functioning, as I could feel very slight cab vibrations.


OTOH, since the old in-line filters and my speakers run full range have marginally better bass (but still nowhere near acceptable), I do suspect the M5-HPs as well.


I am scheduled for a call with the amp builder tonight, who suggests that the amp may not be properly biased for my system.  Not sure how this could affect the bass output.  Once I have the amp squeared away, I will focus on the M5-HP battery replacements.

@bondmanp ,
It sounds like you are doing this the right way.
I, too, had my amps worked on and when they came back, I wasn't informed that they had lowered the impedance considerably (like 100K to 20K), so, of course, the M5-HP's needed to be adjusted. Unfortunately, they only go to 22K ohms in balanced. The bass is just a teeny bit shy, but acceptable. In conversation with Johnny, it seems Mr. V. doesn't want to go to any lower setting-I forget why.
If the batteries were near the end, and you disconnected them for a prolonged period, then they possibly were drained by not having another source (your amp) to keep the crossovers charged. 
Just thinkin'...
B