B&W DM70's - top end lacking

ct0517:
Have you ever had you treble panels repaired?
If so, where did you go and what was the difference?
I know about One Thing, but they are quite expensive and I have heard that their place is a tip. There is also a German man, but I have had mixed reports about him and he is VERY expensive plus there is international post.
My ideal would be somewhere that I could drive to easily from Somerset.
Friends who had Quad ELS units serviced have said that the sound comes 'alive' with the repaired speakers.

I may look at the energiser units as well, as I am sure that small fluctuations in mains voltage should not make so much difference to the sound. 
Perhaps I am being hypercritical as I know that higher end equipment can show up other issues and that all equipment tends to sound at its best late at night.

I have ordered some ribbon super tweeters and it will be interesting how they work.

Hi iscm

I acquired my DM70 ESL already refurbished.

here is a link that shows a pic of the woofer as well as an experiment with the Quad ESL. The experiment did not go well as the B&W crossover Woofer to ESL Panel is 400hz.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jB2ocyZ1sMjUI86X2

It is using silver wiring.

If there are periods when they sound great, and other times when not so, that tells me the ESL panel may be ok and I suspect the ESL power supply / capacitors. So I would be tempted from your posts to have the capacitors / power supply checked out and recapped. I am pretty sure the DM70 are using electrolytic capacitors versus the polypropylene film capacitors of the 800 matrix series.

The manual recommends that they not be closer than 8 feet apart.

Owners manuals can be found here.

http://bwgroupsupport.com/manuals/bw-archive#ID_DMSeries

Service manuals can be found here.

http://bwgroupsupport.com/manuals/bw-service#ID_DMSeries

ct0517: The service manual is a great hep.
I had no idea that it could be accessed and as it is from 1970 there is a good chance that it is correct for my early versions of the DM70’s.

One thing that I notice straight away is that I have a missing pin A to one of my HF units. This is the Ground connection which is also connected to the centre tap of the audio transformer.
This may explain why I do not get an even treble across the whole panel. I could either get hold of a new plug or remove one of the redundant pins from the other speaker, as only 4 pins are used out of the seven.
First I will try to get a spare if at all possible.
The pin may have fallen out when I first transported the speakers. The seller was not keen for me to remove the HF panels, but I was not happy to transport them in one piece.

After the above I will check the electrolytic capacitors and the resistors.
I am working my way through the wiring replacing with Chord Odyssey as I go.
This is the cable that I use for the speakers and I use Chord for the rest of the system interconnects.

When you bought your speakers did the seller say anything about their restoration.

Thanks again

I just noticed a slight buzz in the right speaker.
When I checked, I could see that some of the filling was pushing very slightly against the cone.
I corrected this and now the sound it much cleaner.
These speakers rely on being totally filled, so it is hard to stop this happening.
In future I may try a different type of filling around the area of the bass unit to prevent this kind of ingress happening again.

I have also raised the speakers by two inches using two 2 * 3 between the speaker and the stand.
This has also made the bass much better (less volume and better definition).
Later I could turn the wood to make the extra lift 3 inches.

I did a basic test of the high frequency response and found that the cut off is around 10/ 11 kHz.
With a normal tweeter I can hear (just) to 16 kHz.

This may explain why symbols seem so recessed and why, depending on the music, things just don't sound quite right.

It could be the power supply to the panels or the panels themselves.
As my mains is just over 230V where I live, I could try setting the selector on the power supplies to 220V to see if the treble improves.

I suspect that it it is the panels themselves that need a refurb.
We will see