Naim and Elac Adante, Wow

Tomic just as expected from a Vandy Fanboy.

Please explain to me in what way did a Vandy create anything new or revolutionary?   Lets see time alignment, first order slopes not invented here. Revolutionary drivers what composite cones, again not invented here.

You mistake creative packaging and pleasing  voicing for true innovation.

The Vandy 2Ce sounds like it was invented in the 1995 and yes alloy cones and poly cone midrange drivers are the epitome of modern transducer technology.

As per Maggie again please explain how the company has managed to eliminate the physical limitations of a 180 degree out of phase back wave and a large baffle which defracts the wave?

(((Please explain to me in what way did a Vandy create anything new or revolutionary?)))

Greetings Audio Troy
Here are a couple quick vids you can watch that may better help you understand Vandersteen innovation.
 BTW  one vid is from the many of his Best at shows, in particular, from an NY show right near you with the dealer Audio Connection.
 
I especially like going in at about 2 min plus where Art Garfunkles voice is
reproduced with a breathtaking awe in this revolutionary design.

It’s these and many other moments that keeps me in love.

Perhaps you fellows have caught a good case of Vanderphobia.
Try and cheer up, deep breaths, its Okay........
Enjoy,
JohnnyR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCg9NQU5wtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8A6hN8kgC4

Johny we have 0 Vandy envy.

The 1c and 2Ce are great value loudspeakers that have a particular set of sonic attributes.

You have your fanboys we are allways pursuing the new and the truly innovatve brands.

I wonder if you do a patent search between Richard Vandersteen, Jack Oclee Brown, Laurece Dickie, Andrew Jones who actually has more patents.

Composite cones came out of JM labs long before Ricards balsa composite in 2007.

I will take a set of Adates over 2Ce any day. You can tone down a forward speaker much harder to add detail when your tweeter cant reproduce it.,

Neither one of these products is perfect it depends on what you subscribe to, our belief is what sounds real is good, not what sounds good is the governing idea.

Go sit in front of a Wedding band with a horn section does it sound melodic or aggressive?

Our pursuit is the absolute sound, play a live drum record on both speakers and se see which set sounds the most real?

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ

Hi audiotroy

I am sorry to add to this thread drift, but your comments about Vandersteen strike me as being rooted in old stereotypes.

What struck me was your comment about live horses and drums...I come at this hobby with a fair amount of live music experience, both as a performer (sax and drums) and observer.  What I take from your comments is that you think modern Vandies sound rolled off and lack detail--i.e., not "real."  I genuinely disagree with that.  I have heard the whole line (disclaimer:  I own a pair of 3A Sigs) with all manner of music, and I can't see how *that* is the criticism you would come away with.  If your criticism was a narrow vertical sweet spot, I'd give you that one.  

Anyway, you seem to be set on the favorites in your store, but if you get a chance to hear a nice set up with modern Vandies, I'd urge you to take an listen and see if you think that criticism still holds.  I'd be interested to know the details (no pun intended).

Happy listening!

Cedargrover, the most popular Vandy 1c and 2Ce are still old designs with hardly state of the art drivers, an alloy tweeter and a polycone midrange.

They would hardly be called transparent speakers, they fall into the "musical" camp, so do Harbeth. We don’t sell nor do we want to sell either brand.

If you read any of our posts you would see that we respect Vandersteen to our ears, and by the way to many others they are quite colored sounding which makes Vandy speakers great if you like that type of sound.


Why don’t you listen to a pair of $14k Quattro’s and then come to our shop and we can show you a set of Legacy’s Signatures for $7k, with a similar sound. ie warm and big sounding.

Yet the Legacy’s are 95db efficient with bass down to 22hz and the Legacy will play louder to boot at half the price.

We can also show you a set of Legacy Focus Se with a Wavelet total package about $16k just add an amp as you get a preamp/dac/room correction processor. This combo challenges a set of 5C.
 
If you read almost every review of even the 5C or the Quattros most people who love them fall into the same camp they are the "musical" uber alles camp, they are not wining over the peole who prefer a less colored sound.

Never have I heard a reivewer with JM Labs or Rockports or Magicos trading them in for Vandy.

Vandy’s biggest claim to fame the carbon balsa cone is hardly a new idea as JM Labs was making composite cones for years.

Please enjoy what you like, please don’t tell me that Vandersteen builds speakers in the class of TAD or Magico or Rockport, YG or Kef.
Other than the 7 which is a good speaker not worth $70k but a good well designed speaker I would never consider owning any of the other models.

Go back to drinking your coolaid, Richard has no formal training as a loudspeaker designer, the video interview was hysterical, he blew out his midrange and alligator clipped a midrange driver to the top of the cabinet and found it sounded better.

Their one patent for the balsa cone included Mike Latvis as co inventor so what exactly did Richard invent?

Jack Oclee Brown, is a trained engineer.

So is Lawrence Dickie look at this list of patents

Our Patents

VIVID AUDIO and the VIVID AUDIO logo device are registered trademarks.
Patents pending on domed driver D26
Patents pending on D50
Patents pending on C125 bass-mid driver
Patents pending on C175 bass-mid driver
Patents pending on C225 bass-mid driver
Patents pending on compliantly mounted reaction cancelling drivers
Patents pending on reaction cancelling ports
Cabinet shape and construction techniques are registered designs

As per Andrew Jones technical experience:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2014/03/15/12-questions-for-andrew-jones-director-of-s...

True innovation is not making a new way to build a composite diaphram, but really coming out with really new ideas.

And yes Cedargrover we have heard all the newest Vandy model at shows and at other dealers as well as some of Johnneys clients homes.

Another bone of contention is your idea that Musicians who play live music are a good judge, many, many, musicians have tremendous hearing damage.

This is not a personal attack on your or what you believe or perceive.

All products have a house sound, every Andrew Jones speaker strives for speed, and accuracy all except for the cheapie Pioneer line.

If you value these things you will love speakers that fit in this model. if you are in the romantic, warm or musical camp you will love Harbeth, Devore, Vandy, and a ton or other speakers that fit this type of sound.

Happy Listening!

Dave and Troy

Audio Doctor NJ