Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?


I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
halcro
Perhaps this is what Halcro is referring to: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4888564A/en?q=phase&q=lock+loop&oq=phase+lock+loop. From a brief glance, it looks like what is described in the tt101's service manual. Perhaps it is related to the pitch control capabilities that the tt101 and tt81 possess and their other turntables, e.g. tt 71, don't. I leave it to those with superior technical minds to render judgment.

For those who prefer their information concatenated with pretty pictures, Vinyl Engine has several jvc brochures from the late 70's which describe the merits of their line of quartz turntables (along with the 'numbers' for each turntable in a convenient side by side format).

One other tidbit relating to the differences between the tt101 and the tt 81/71 is this: only the 101 has a coreless motor. If one is to praise Technics for utilizing this type of motor in their new design (they are terribly late to the game, no?), then one should acknowledge at the very least that the 101 should sound different, and likely better, than its siblings. To dismiss the 101 after listening only to its siblings therefore strikes me as a logical error.
Jp,
Hopefully you can make sense out of what Banquo managed to find...?

I can only add that all of Victor's other turntables have PLL controlled motors but only a few (TT-81 and TT-101) include 'bi-directional servo-control' in their descriptions.

If what you say is true about all PLL servos....why do you think this would be?
The Jvc Victor has patented this many years after the ceased production of the TT-101 81 and TT801 what sense does this have if it will probably not produce more important or top-level turntables?
He has never heard the Technics SL-1000R...
He has never heard the Victor TT-101....
But he KNOWS what they sound like and he KNOWS  which is better....

No Reviewer nor serious knowledgeable audiophile would make such uninformed statements.
But that is the 'cut' of the man......
Dear @banquo363 : The 71/81 came with coreless motor, you have a misunderstanding. The 71 has not bi-directional servo.

@halcro , wrong again Yamaha ( my hands are tired to gives you the same answer: wrong again and again. Please stop to post, enough is enough. You are totally wrong. From where you learned or I have to say ....) used Yamaha motors not JVC motors both are way different and measures different: 75db against 85db in the Yamaha. That Yamaha used the PLL mechanism too is not why the GT2000 is so desirable.


GT2000 is so desirable by its own Yamaha design merits that has nothing to do with the 101.  The GT 2000 can check its hands with the DP100, Exclusive P3A opr Technics SP10 MK3. The 101 is one more of the " bunch ": no matter what. Can you understand it? can you understand why are you wrong again and again? Can you understand that the " black thread " you think discovered was  not but a " black thread clown " ? It's a good unit well the Pionners, Denons Sonys or Technics are good ones and I'm not refering to the top of the line of all these manufacturers that  all are way superiors to the 101. Problem is that your world start and ends with the |101.


"""   which is a patented breakthrough in DD technology """ NO IT'S NOT, only in your mind. Dion't you read here that Denon did it along Yamaha, Pioneer and several other TT manufacturers? At least try to read what you read carefully ! ! ? ?


"""  but only a few (TT-81 and TT-101) include 'bi-directional servo-control' in their description .."""

wrong again, the 801 too and the Denons too stated bi-directional in their descrptions.

Masoquist never tired about.

@best-groove, is useless give/gave facts as the date patent  with @halcro . This gentleman just can't see/read/understand facts.
Her argued because he want to " win " when the subject here is not who win or lost but to understand what is happening " down there ". Easy.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.