Subwoofer Decision


I have narrowed my search to two choices though I am sure I will get comments steering me away from these.
Contrast Rythmik Audio 12G with Vandersteen 2Wq. I would like to get only one though I know a pair are best choice. Could maybe afford 2 Rythmik, but only 1 Vandersteen for now. The subwoofer would support Dali Helicons (4 ohms) biwired and driven by 2 mono McIntosh MC 252's at 500 watts each into 4 ohms. Living room size aprox. 24'x16'x8' placement not centered on 16' wall due to furniture (wife) constraints must stay put. Subwoofer placement needs also to stay there as well, I know this limits possible best choice for placement, my bad. There is room behind, next to, and between speakers. Any help help is appreciated.
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lowfreqguy, Rythmik sells direct-to-consumers only, but have a deal worked out with speaker maker Ascend Acoustics (who also do direct sales) in San Clemente, CA. Ascend sells the Rythmik subs to partner with their speakers, and I believe demos the subs at their location. Give ’em a call.

I’ve never seen a Rythmik F12G for sale used, a good sign, ay?!

Jadedavid’s passive filter suggestion is a good one, and has been used by perfectionists since the 1950’s. He’s correct about the Dahlquist DQLP-1 incorporating that design---I still have one. I also had capacitors installed on the input jacks of my Bedini 25/25 for rolling of it’s low end for use with old Quads. That method is completely compatible with Rythmik subs.

By the way, the Rythmik F12G is available as a DIY kit, for those wanting to make their own enclosure. Also, Parts Express sells really good sub enclosures the Rythmik kit can be installed in, for the adventurous. 

maybe I misunderstood your point bdp...but the Vandersteen approach preserves the transfer function of the main amplifier which can be heard...Ray Brown Soular energy is an excellent test for continuity....

so glad the OP is working the tools and the room also..

i have a place near San Clemente, so maybe I will pop in and hear the Rhymiks....
I too, have not heard the Rythmiks, but from the standpoint of the laws of physics, it would seem to me that a sub with three eight inch drivers would be a lot quicker than a single 15 inch or even a 12 inch driver. I thought I had read somewhere that three eight inch drivers could equal a sixteen inch driver  in bottom end extension and power.JMO.
Vandersteen sub integration is seamless, when properly set up. My 2w's and 2wq's are heads above any other manufacturer, in my opinion.
The fact that my 2w's are nearing 25+ years old and still function properly is a testament to the design and build quality.
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The notion that an 8" woofer will automatically be "quicker" than a 12" or 15" one seems logical, but is actually an over-simplification. The size of the cone is only one factor in a woofer’s performance capability. A woofer’s moving mass vs. it’s motor (magnet) strength is a better way to predict it’s performance capabilities, but again, there is more to it than that simple relationship. The Rythmik website has very technical design information available for those interested (some of it WAAAY over my head. Brian Ding is an engineer with an advanced technical education, having a PhD in the field).

Rythmik offers subs with one or two 8" woofers, but Rythmik designer/owner Brian Ding advises that his 8" woofer is no "faster" than his 12", or 15" and 18" (!), for that matter. But the maximum output capability of the 8" is less than the 12", and the 12" less than the 15", the 15" less than the 18". Three 8" woofers will NOT reproduce to a lower frequency than a single, but will have less low end roll-off as it approaches the lowest frequencies it reproduces, and may therefore sound as if it does. However, three 8" woofers will, of course, have higher maximum output capability than a single. I have heard the Vandersteen subs at Brooks Berdan’s shop (Brooks was one of Richards first dealers), and they are excellent.

tomic601, the Vandersteen sub uses the output of the power amp as it’s signal, rather than a line level signal from a pre-amp. I’m not sure, but Richard may have pioneered that approach. But to repeat, both Rythmik and REL subs offer the exact same facility---it is not exclusive to Vandersteen. The Rythmik PEQ model plate amps provide both a high level input on speaker binding posts (from a power amp, in exactly the same fashion as Vandersteen), as well as a line level input on RCA jacks (from a pre-amp, etc.). There is nothing proprietary about the Vandersteen high level input design; the power amp is connected to the sub via a speaker cable that goes onto the sub’s input binding posts. That high level signal then goes into a circuit that converts the watts into volts (via impedance conversion, I believe). That voltage is then used as the signal for the sub.

My questioning of the logic of the idea is a separate issue, having to do with the wisdom of having the sub’s input signal go through an extra stage of amplification (the power amp) as part of the effort to get the sub to have the same sound characteristics as the speaker the sub is partnered with. The idea is that both the speaker and the sub get their input signal from the same exact source---the power amp, and the sub will therefore be more likely to sound "as one" with the speaker as it would if the sub got it’s signal from a different source---the pre-amp.