B&W DM70's - top end lacking


I have a pair of DM70’s.
They sound really good with vocal, blues and opera.
The bass is overblown with complex orchestral or progressive.

I am already replacing the bass units with Leak sandwich, as I found that the original units had not been repaired correctly.
They had some sort of home made surround made of thick paper with a 12 inch foam surround stuck on top.
The leaks seem to solve some of the bass issues.
I will get the bass units professionally repaired at some point.

Now to the treble units.
The mid and lower treble seems great, but things like symbols seem muted.
I was told that the electrostatic units had been repaired by One Thing, but now I am not so sure.

I am driving them with an Art Audio Quintet fed from a Conrad Johnson PV9a pre.
My CD is a Unison Unico and I am using a Focus One turntable just now.
Cables are from Chord. (Yes they do help a bit)

These are frustrating speakers, as when at their best, they sound so good.
First I need to know what to expect (especially from the treble).
Then I need to know how to fix any issues.

Sometimes they sound so so good and other times . . .
iscm
I have owned two pairs of these.One pair sounded a bit dull but the other pair had lovely extended treble so it really depends on their condition.
One pair sounded a bit dull but the other pair had lovely extended treble so it really depends on their condition.
I think that either my energiser units need an overhaul of the panels need redoing.
First I will get the energiser units serviced and if I still have issues I will move on to getting the panels done.

I did not think that the electrostatic panels should sound dull.
Hi, new to the site.
I have just picked up a pair of DM70. The ESL sound very good but I suspect that the energiser units needs some caps replacing.
The bass drivers have green felt DIY surrounds that are not helping in that department. If anyone can help in the sourcing of replacement surrounds I would be grateful.
I currently have them hooked up to a pair of Williamson KT88 mono blocks. They are rated at 20wpc. I have been using these on my Maggies and Apogees to good affect. Do I need more power? I have a pair of NAD 214 that are 500+ when bridged.
Hi, I should have clarified that mine are the Continentals.
I note the previous comment about suspended wooden floors, I will place them on some marble slabs.
I am located only a few miles from both the Stenying and Worthing factories though they offer little support to the very early models of which I have a number including DM3, DM4, D5 etc.
Best regards, M
I suspect that the energiser units needs some caps replacing.
dylanthecat:
After speaking to One Thing Audio, they suggested that it is normally the diodes in the energiser units that go.
They will, of course, do this work for you if you need.
The capacitors are NOT electrolytic in the DM70’s, so they are usually OK and One Thing said that the resistors are normally OK.
Apparently the diodes available at the time were not of a high enough rating, so tend to fail over time.

The bass drivers have green felt DIY surrounds that are not helping
It seems that the brother of the person who did mine had been active with your bass units!
I managed to get hold of a pair of 13 inch Leak Sandwich bass units in 8 ohm versions (most are 15 ohm).
These seem a good match in the DM70 cabinets, but will require four new mounting holes.
Wembley Speakers tell me that they should be able to redo my surrounds on my original speakers.
If you have the Continentals where the bass units have the curved front this may be your only option. (Some Continentals have a curved adaptor plate for the bass unit)

I currently have them hooked up to a pair of Williamson KT88 mono blocks. They are rated at 20wpc. I have been using these on my Maggies and Apogees to good affect. Do I need more power? I have a pair of NAD 214 that are 500+ when bridged.
Regarding power, that I think is personal.
I have an Art Audio Quintet which when in triode mode only gives me 15 watts, but seem to control the bass units well. Of course I can not get thrash volumes, but it still seems to go to realistic volumes with classical and most progressive.
When I tried my 70 watt Unico mosfet amp, I found that it offered very little extra headroom and no better bass damping, so I have stuck with my Art Audio.