Neil Young - Guitarist


We all know Neil for his outstanding songwriting skills and some may even recognize his talents with a guitar but is he underrated? in 2015 Rolling Stone ranked him as number 17 of 100 greatest guitarists of all time. Can anyone pull more raw emotion out of a guitar than Neil?

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Stewart, my musings on this subject are once again not understood. My point is not that technique is not a factor (or even requirement) in being a superior musician, but rather that technique is often the sole (or at least main) criteria with which musical talent is judged. Should it be?

Let me make a broad statement: All the technique that a musician needs is that which allows him to play with his body what he hears in his head. There are some musicians greatly admired for their talent and/or skill whose music I don’t care for, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that isn’t true for just about everyone.

Here’s a very good example of how I look at the subject: Steve Smith was the drummer in Journey during the height of their popularity. He is a very accomplished player, now playing Jazz, what he was doing before joining Journey. Richard Manuel was the pianist/singer in The Band (one of Eric Clapton’s favorite singers, and a musician Clapton recently called a genius), but also played drums on quite a few Band songs (primarily on their 2nd, s/t "brown" album). Smith’s drumming in Journey was largely what I consider pedestrian---very unimaginative, stock "Rock" drumming. But he played it flawlessly, thanks to his advanced chops. Manuel’s drumming is very unique and unusual, his parts very imaginative and interesting (and sometimes intentionally humorous, rare amongst drummers). They are also very musical, his parts always in service to the song. But Richard was pretty limited in technique, and a little awkward on the drum set.

So, on the one hand you have a technically advanced drummer playing forgettable, routine stock parts in songs that are nothing to write home about (does anyone consider the guys in Journey good songwriters?!). On the other, a pianist playing drums as a second instrument, whose drum parts are fantastic---very creative, unique, interesting, and above all musical. And they are played in the context of some of the best songs ever played by a Rock ’n’ Roll Band. So, who’s the "better" drummer?

You  can be a great musician without being a great instrumentalist and you can even be a great instrumentalist without being a great musician.  I would argue that the former is far more common than the latter situation.  But being a great instrumentalist and even a great musician doesn't guarantee that you will produce great music.  It just ain't that easy.

ESPN recently came up with a list of the most dominate athletes in their specific sports.  They crunched the statistics and determined that Peyton Manning was #3 and Tom Brady was #20 across all sports.  I can understand someone arguing that Manning is "better" than Brady, but it is nonsensical to say there is a 17 place difference between them.  Similarly, I don't think many people are arguing that Neil Young is not a great musician and a capable guitarist, but there's no way on earth that he is #17 on a list of greatest guitarist.

It may be subjective, but some people can just flat out play better than others.
The drumming by the lady of Little Hurricane duo is interesting. A good example of musicality. I don’t think she has much chops but her style is refreshing.

THANK YOU, 'astewart8944' !   'BDP24' might notice that every player I mentioned is (or was) a great artist, who plays with creativity, passion and taste.  There's not a 'shredder' in the group.  (And, yes, I agree that there are a zillion rock guitarists with good technique, but zero soul.) 

And any one of them would explain that great artistic expression requires great technical skill on their chosen instrument.

Charlie Parker once said that he wanted to be able to play whatever he felt... and to do that, he needed to practice 4 hours a day.

Music doesn't simply spring from the heart.  It also 'springs' from many lonely hours developing your chops.

@bdp24 Thanks for your further explanation. I respect your point of view. I would answer your question by saying that, in your illustration, Steve Smith is a vastly better drummer than Richard Manuel. Steve Smith has the technical chops to play different genres at a high professional level. That he chose to play RNR with Journey doesn't make him a pedestrian drummer, it makes him a gainfully employed drummer. And his drumming with Journey isn't pedestrian. Steve Smith was inducted into the Modern Drummer Hall of Fame in 2002. Richard Manuel will never be considered for that honor because he wasn't a serious drummer--he was a singer/piano player that sometimes drummed and when he did it, he did so admirably.
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Al