MQA and the "Pre Ring - Post Ring" Hoax


There's been a lot of misinformed babble on various audio forums about impulse response, digital filters, "time errors", "time correction", "time blurring", and similar pseudo science clap trap to convince audiophiles that suddenly in the year 2018, there's something drastically wrong with digital PCM audio - some 45 years after this landmark technology was developed by Philips Electronics engineers. Newsflash folks - it's a scam.

First, let's take a close look at what an impulse or discontinuity signal really is. The wikipedia definition actually is pretty accurate thanks to a variety of informed contributors from around the globe. It is a infinite aperiodic summation of sinusoidal waves combined to produce what looks like a spike (typically voltage for our purposes) in a signal. Does such a thing ever occur in nature or more importantly in our case - music? Absolutely not. In fact, the only things close to it are the voltage spikes that occur when a switch contact is thrown or an amplifier output stage clips because supply voltage to reproduce the incoming signal waveform has been exceeded. So if this freak of nature signal representation doesn't exist in nature or music, of what good is it in measuring the accuracy of audio equipment? The answer might surprise you.

In fact, impulse response, or an audio system's response to an impulse signal, is one of the most useful and accurate representations in existence of such a system's linearity and precision - or its fidelity to an original signal that is fed to it.  A lot of  focus has been placed on the pre and post ringing of these "discontinuity signals"  but what you have to understand is that the ripple artifacts are nothing more than an analog system's (all electronics is analog -digital is just a special subset of analog) limitation in attempting to construct the impulse or discontinuity signal waveform. They are a result of the impact produced by the energy storage devices themselves in creating the signal. To create a large energy peak, you need large storage devices. The larget the capacitor for example, the longer in time it takes for it to absorb and discharge electric field energy. This is the same with inductors. One type stores electric field energy - the other magnetic. Smaller value capacitors can react to voltage changes very quickly but are limited in the peak value of energy that can be stored and dissipated. But if you combine a large number of high value and low value devices in a circuit and apply a voltage spike, you wind up with the kind of oscillations you see in an impulse response graph. Small capacitors for example, rapidly reach their charge capacity and can discharge into larger capacitors that are much more slowly building up charge in the transition from no input voltage to full spike value. This "sloshing around", if you will, or oscillation is what happens in circuits built to provide extreme voltage attenuations. In a linear, time invariant system, any rapid change in frequency response or time response - has these characteristics.
So effectively the entire debate about ringing in digital audio is a misnomer - a hoax. The impulse response ripple is not something that happens in real world sounds or in a properly designed audio reproduction chain. Ever since digital oversampling was developed in consumer products in the early 1980s, there has been no need for steep analog filter circuits with their attendant ringing. The problem very simply DOES NOT EXIST. The ringing generated  artificially in an impulse signal is useful in that it provides a very high frequency stimulus to linear audio systems as  a means of measuring high frequency and transient response. IT IN NO WAY BY ITSELF, REPRESENTS THE TIME DOMAIN BEHAVIOR OF THE AUDIO REPRODUCTION CHAIN. An accurate audio reproduction system should fully render the impulse signal in all its pre and post ring glory without alteration. Any audio system that eliminates or significantly alters this pre/post ringing present in the signal that is fed to it is not truly "high fidelity" and is thus bandwidth limited.
cj1965
I heard that the President is getting 10% right off the top!  He's really the one behind  MQA.  Bob Stuart is just a mouthpiece! 
More propaganda from a truther. Why do you need instruments when you have 2 ears to hear if it sounds good or not. 
This thread is no different than a vinyl addict claiming analog is better while we know the issues with analog. 
I have good equipment to hear what I think the best formats are: vinyl, MQA, dsd, hi res, redbook. I don’t need somebody that claims to know something to persuade me 1 way or another.
" More propaganda from a truther. Why do you need instruments when you have 2 ears to hear if it sounds good or not. " - rbstehno

Typical misinformed "audiophile" response to  any objective fact finding.
It's one thing for a manufacturer to buddy up with a few audiophile press "journalists" - offering practically free equipment, tickets to major sporting events, or just simply buying large amounts of advertising from their "honest, trustworthy, and principled" employer in order to get favorable, totally subjective "press" to help move product. The potential negative impact to consumers who might wind up buying a totally over hyped product is going to be limited. You simply can't fool everyone all of the time.  MQA, however, represents a different thing entirely. IT IS A PROPOSED STANDARD FOR AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY. So the same old tired stupid behavior that might be tolerated regarding audiophiles and their complete adherence to the value of subjective criteria over objective, provable criteria won't cut it. Any time an industry standard is proposed, it is appropriate and actually ENTIRELY NECESSARY for objective criteria to be provided that establishes concrete, measurable characteristics with which "qualifying products" can be measured against.The problems with MQA is that it doesn't provided any concrete characteristics or criteria that can be measured to allow anyone to prove that a particular quality standard is being met. THE ENTIRE THING IS SHROUDED IN MYSTERY, DOUBLE SPEAK, AND THE USUAL "VEILS HAVE BEEN LIFTED" CLAIMS you sometimes get with manufacturers pushing new products. And the justification for all the secrecy surrounding what it does and how it does it boils down to intellectual property claims. THIS IS WHAT PARTICULARLY STINKS ABOUT MQA. THE ONLY NOVEL OR PATENT WORTHY ASPECT TO IT PERTAINS TO THE SECURITY/ENCRYPTION FEATURES BUILT IN - AND THAT ASPECT WASN'T EVEN CREATED BY STUART ET AL., ITS WAS SUBBED OUT TO ANOTHER COMPANY!
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MQA ...  IS A PROPOSED STANDARD FOR AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
Yes, we understand that. Shouting is not necessary.

So the same old tired stupid behavior that might be tolerated regarding audiophiles and their complete adherence to the value of subjective criteria over objective, provable criteria won't cut it.
Why so angry?

THE ENTIRE THING IS SHROUDED IN MYSTERY, DOUBLE SPEAK, AND THE USUAL "VEILS HAVE BEEN LIFTED" CLAIMS ...
I'm beginning to think you don't care for MQA.

THIS IS WHAT PARTICULARLY STINKS ABOUT MQA. THE ONLY NOVEL OR PATENT WORTHY ASPECT TO IT PERTAINS TO THE SECURITY/ENCRYPTION FEATURES BUILT IN ...
Okay, you don't like MQA. I'm not much interested in it, either. It's just a puzzle that you'll go to such lengths - the ALLCAPS, the insults - to oppose it. It suggests you have as much at stake as those you criticize.