MQA and the "Pre Ring - Post Ring" Hoax


There's been a lot of misinformed babble on various audio forums about impulse response, digital filters, "time errors", "time correction", "time blurring", and similar pseudo science clap trap to convince audiophiles that suddenly in the year 2018, there's something drastically wrong with digital PCM audio - some 45 years after this landmark technology was developed by Philips Electronics engineers. Newsflash folks - it's a scam.

First, let's take a close look at what an impulse or discontinuity signal really is. The wikipedia definition actually is pretty accurate thanks to a variety of informed contributors from around the globe. It is a infinite aperiodic summation of sinusoidal waves combined to produce what looks like a spike (typically voltage for our purposes) in a signal. Does such a thing ever occur in nature or more importantly in our case - music? Absolutely not. In fact, the only things close to it are the voltage spikes that occur when a switch contact is thrown or an amplifier output stage clips because supply voltage to reproduce the incoming signal waveform has been exceeded. So if this freak of nature signal representation doesn't exist in nature or music, of what good is it in measuring the accuracy of audio equipment? The answer might surprise you.

In fact, impulse response, or an audio system's response to an impulse signal, is one of the most useful and accurate representations in existence of such a system's linearity and precision - or its fidelity to an original signal that is fed to it.  A lot of  focus has been placed on the pre and post ringing of these "discontinuity signals"  but what you have to understand is that the ripple artifacts are nothing more than an analog system's (all electronics is analog -digital is just a special subset of analog) limitation in attempting to construct the impulse or discontinuity signal waveform. They are a result of the impact produced by the energy storage devices themselves in creating the signal. To create a large energy peak, you need large storage devices. The larget the capacitor for example, the longer in time it takes for it to absorb and discharge electric field energy. This is the same with inductors. One type stores electric field energy - the other magnetic. Smaller value capacitors can react to voltage changes very quickly but are limited in the peak value of energy that can be stored and dissipated. But if you combine a large number of high value and low value devices in a circuit and apply a voltage spike, you wind up with the kind of oscillations you see in an impulse response graph. Small capacitors for example, rapidly reach their charge capacity and can discharge into larger capacitors that are much more slowly building up charge in the transition from no input voltage to full spike value. This "sloshing around", if you will, or oscillation is what happens in circuits built to provide extreme voltage attenuations. In a linear, time invariant system, any rapid change in frequency response or time response - has these characteristics.
So effectively the entire debate about ringing in digital audio is a misnomer - a hoax. The impulse response ripple is not something that happens in real world sounds or in a properly designed audio reproduction chain. Ever since digital oversampling was developed in consumer products in the early 1980s, there has been no need for steep analog filter circuits with their attendant ringing. The problem very simply DOES NOT EXIST. The ringing generated  artificially in an impulse signal is useful in that it provides a very high frequency stimulus to linear audio systems as  a means of measuring high frequency and transient response. IT IN NO WAY BY ITSELF, REPRESENTS THE TIME DOMAIN BEHAVIOR OF THE AUDIO REPRODUCTION CHAIN. An accurate audio reproduction system should fully render the impulse signal in all its pre and post ring glory without alteration. Any audio system that eliminates or significantly alters this pre/post ringing present in the signal that is fed to it is not truly "high fidelity" and is thus bandwidth limited.
cj1965
" Charles Hansen of Ayre Acoustics and many other audio manufacturers use Minimum Phase filters in their digital components. It is my understanding that the purpose of these filters is to eliminate preringing.   I know very little about electronics so I may be wrong about that. With that, I'm out of this discussion. "  - tomcy6

Ok. Let's be clear about what minimum phase  filters are. By definition, a minimum phase filter is a filter that remains causal and stable when used in a linear, time invariant system. All that really means is that  phase and gain changes cannot result in oscillation (unstable). For this to occur, the poles and zeros of the transfer function plot have to stay inside the unit circle. A common example of violation of this characteristic happens when an amplifier's overall phase shift is 180 degrees at unity gain. Under those circumstances, a typical feedback amplifier will oscillate.

In terms of filters, it really has nothing to do with impulse response. As noted previously, to generate a very rapidly increasing and rapidly decreasing voltage spike in a linear, time invariant system - requires and extremely sharp (steep) filter. That's where the ringing (instability) comes in. A minimum phase filter in Charlie's case is simply a gradual rolloff (low phase shift with frequency) filter that is causal and stable - minimum phase. We are talking apples and oranges here. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever about an impulse signal that is "minimum phase".
@ clearthink

The problem with your suggestion is that it is based on a faulty premise. The Audiophile press's push to back MQA is "common knowledge" as a quick 5 minute Google search will reveal. The problem with the MQA pre ring post ring hoax is that a "common misconception" nurtured by a handful of industry people exists with respect to the pertinence of pre ring/post ring phenomena in digital audio circuits. There aren't enough people exposing the common misconception promoted by Bob Stuart in forums like this to counter the smoke screen. However, the "common knowledge" of MQA promotion in the audiophile press - that's easy to find. You don't have to corner an electrical engineer or delve into signal mathematics on wikipedia to figure that out. BIG DIFFERENCE,  my friend.

Cheers


cj1965
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The Audiophile press's push to back MQA is "common knowledge" as a quick 5 minute Google search will reveal. The problem with the MQA pre ring post ring hoax is that a "common misconception" nurtured by a handful of industry people exists with respect to..."

I understand completely there is one level of proof required for one thing and another level of proofs required for another and in BOTH cases you don't provide the proof but demand others do it for you and insult those who question your motives which you still have not revealed so yes I can see why you say faulty premise!
Good to see people coming around to the dog and pony show

As an engineer I have been very concerned about a world of MQA audio, marketed as equal to or better than the master.

It's not.  Equal.  Or Better.   At all.  Period.

Making a playback system is a fine form of creativity for the audiophile, and preference for mp3s over 24 bits has happened in blind tests.  Preference is not important with MQA, all that matters is the integrity of the master.
With all the techno babble being pushed to and fro regarding MQA, the bottom line is that  MQA uses a lossy compression system and once lost ...... 'it ain't coming back'! Think about it! Look what MP3 has done to sound quality. Unless you can provide an audio carrier system that can retrieve musical information in it's entirety 'without loss', we will always be bombarded with claims of a fix. MQA is another form of resolution strangulation. ..... 'We'll do it in a nice way and it won't hurt a bit!'