Two Type of sound and listener preference are there more?


In our thirty years of professional audio system design and setup, we keep on running into two distinctly different types of sound and listeners.

Type One: Detail, clarity, soundstage, the high resolution/accuracy camp. People who fall into this camp are trying to reproduce the absolute sound and use live music as their guide.

Type Two: Musicality camp, who favors tone and listenability over the high resolution camp. Dynamics, spl capabilty, soundstaging are less important. The ability for a system to sound real is less important than the overall sound reproduced "sounds good."

Are there more then this as two distincly different camps?

We favor the real is good and not real is not good philosophy.

Some people who talk about Musicaility complain when a sytem sounds bright with bright music.

In our viewpoint if for example you go to a Wedding with a Live band full of brass instruments like horns, trumpts etc it hurts your ears, shouldn’t you want your system to sound like a mirror of what is really there? Isn’t the idea to bring you back to the recording itself?

Please discuss, you can cite examples of products or systems but keep to the topic of sound and nothing else.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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"One personas nirvanaha is another persons hell."

Correction: One personas (sic) nirvahahaha is another person (’) s hell."

Sounds as if you are referring to audiophile ceilings and floors, but I could be wrong. Maybe it’s an "either or" kind of situation, depending on the number of personas. Lots of variables, though.
Personally, I know I’m on to something if my toes are tapping, which is, of course, one of the most important principles of Dahn Yoga.
Interesting discussion. Two things that have been somewhat alluded to but, I think, haven't gotten enough emphasis:

1) State of mind/body.  The degree to which music through an audio system speaks to you, pleasantly or unpleasantly, is largely dependent on your mental/physical state at that time.  If you're unduly stressed or otherwise mentally preoccupied (consciously or subconsciously), the music and its message will not fully penetrate.  If you are ill and/or suffering a serious malady, same thing.  This is the "car radio" phenomenon we always hear about. Or, in my case, the sonos effect.  I have experienced as many musically magic moments from my $150 remote sonos speaker as I have from my mega buck system. Why?  In those moments I was primed and ready to fully absorb and enjoy the music physically and mentally.  Critical faculties were switched off and there was a clear channel for the music to pass through. The quality of the system was secondary.

2) Confirming biases.  This is a well known phenomenon, we're all susceptible to it.  Say, as an audiophile, you did all the work to build your system.  You read all the reviews, went to dealers and audio shows to hear a variety of gear, then, you landed.....somewhere.  Doesn't matter where, could be a planar/electrostatic based system, high efficiency horns and low powered tube amps, big, dynamic floor-standers, mini-monitors, etc.  This, no doubt, was the the right answer for you.  The music spoke most loudly to you via that approach.  The problem is, you must be right, after all, you invested all that time and money and you're a smart, well intended person.  You, naturally, look for confirmation that you were right when you hear your, and other, systems.  It's normal.  This is why I trust non audiophile or "non-educated" ears more than audiophiles. IMO, audiophiles are mostly hopeless in this regard. Despite their best efforts, audiophiles (and reviewers) with those "educated" ears cannot turn off their analytical filter and fully suppress their biases, they have way too much invested.  In my case, if I can get my wife (non educated ear) to sit still and pay attention for an entire record side or CD and say, "wow, that was great," my system is doing a lot right.  This is worth more to me than my audiophile buddy prattling on about the size of the sound stage or the slight mid-bass hump that smeared a transient.

This doesn't mean we should give up pursing gear that truly enhances our personal enjoyment of music.  But we should do it fully aware of our own biases and with the grace to realize that what's meaningful to us is not universal.

Let’s say like this, type A is a Blond girl and type B is Brunette.

What about other girls ??? Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian etc. etc. :)

If you ask me, I would like to have them all :)


I love Music and I love a good sound, but A without B it’s not complete for me.

I have to have Detail, clarity, soundstage, Transparency, High resolution...........and to have all of this without "Musicality" it’s "mission unaccomplished" IMHO.

Thank you joc3021-- good points above with which I agree!
Your first one was about someone being in the mood, etc.
The second was walking into the confirming-biases trap.

To get out of that trap, the following has helped me:

Whenever a change is made in the system or gear, I listen always for increased nuance in HOW each and any note is being expressed, being phrased, being sung.
No matter the music, no matter the recording's quality, and relying on many recordings I've come to know really well, of one-in-a-million artist(s), often recorded live.

Then I ask if someone right there could hear 'that' when I pointed 'it' out? Not a judgment call.

As I was not at the original event, my reasoning is based on the following:

  1. A one-in-a-million artist has included many nuances I have yet to hear.
  2. Artists know most of us can hear these nuances, because when they are practicing, the results are visible in all the nearby faces listening up close and personal- just as recording mics will be placed.
  3. Artists put in these nuances because whenever we do hear 'them', that helps us 'feel' whatever the artists are bringing forth.
So I think improving a system must include getting it to resolve more nuance, no matter the music or recording. It will be a more 'musical' system. 'Things', expressions, flow along better, which is a time-domain issue, not a tonal-domain issue for designers.

You wish these nuances to be obvious, to get your attention quickly, because this leads to feeling better soon, even when you're in a dour mood.

Thank you for following along. See any flaws in this logic? Let me know your thoughts.

Y'all have a great weekend!