Some of the Worst Offenders in Bad Audio Forum Behavior Are Not Regular Forum Members


I've noticed first hand a disturbing trend over at Stereophile for the past couple of years that whenever someone knowledgeable challenges the mantra put forth by some of their editors, the Chief Editor, Mr. Atkinson, demands that the poster put forth personal information about themselves and any possible affiliations they may have with regard to employment that Mr. Atkinson might consider some kind of conflict of interest. Most notably, this occurred recently with a user named Archimago - a popular member of Computer Audiophile who extensively examined MQA, it's claims, and the claims made for it by Stereophile staff. Mr. Atkinson repeatedly challenged the author for his identity and professional affiliations - without which, he would disregard the message conveyed by said forum member. Mr. Atkinson has gone even further in other instances of which I personally witnessed first hand. He insists on banning from Stereophile's forum anyone whom he believes has a duty to publicly identify themselves without specifying the criteria behind the demand - other than that an industry affiliation might exist. I would encourage readers here to visit Computer Audiophile and search for Archimago /MQA discussions to see what I'm on about first hand.

The point of raising this is not necessarily to drag Mr. Atkinson through the mud but to highlight a key aspect of hypocrisy with respect to Mr. Atkinson's "policy" and how that relates to ALL online forums. Time and again, we're reminded in various forums when ideas are presented and challenged in a heated atmosphere - "FOCUS ON THE SUBJECT MATTER - NOT THE CREDENTIALS OR PERCEIVED FAILINGS OF THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING HIS OR HER POINT". This in my view has always been good advice. When we "play the ball" and not  "the man", it is much easier to maintain a civil exchange of ideas/experiences.  So where does Mr. Atkinson's insistence on identifying qualifications of the person fit in to this concept? It seems that every time he or a staff member is personally challenged for facts, he resorts to this "policy" as a form of censorship.  So basically what I"m saying here is that there's plenty of evidence that in some circles, the very people who should be encouraging us all to focus on the merits of the message - letting it stand or fall on its own without involving the supposed "credentials" of the messenger, - these people are in fact the worst offenders among us. Instead of setting a good example and sticking to it, they are doing the opposite while on occasion imploring the rest of us "regular members" to "do as I say - not as I do". I no longer participate in Stereophile forums because of this obvious cute form of censorship that has been employed. I hope that kind of thing never happens here on Audiogon. My guess, however, is that since Agon moderators aren't in the business of promoting/reviewing certain products that come along, that issue is not likely to present itself.
In any case, how do you feel about the privacy rights of other forum members? Should everyone be required to put forth their real name and potential industry affiliation or should that only apply to people who appear to be trying to sell something other than knowledge in the course of posting?
cj1965
@geoffkait
DIY Audio sounds like a lovely, open minded place to hang out. 🌹 🌷 🌺 Or get hung out, as the case may be.
It’s the most closed minded place I’ve ever had the displeasure of being a member of. I like DIYAudio and there are some terrific people there - but don’t ever go there to and try to look at something new.

One those things that happens when people have just enough knowledge and lore to not see the walls of the box their thinking is in. Where they somehow imagine that their limits are the same as everyone else’s and encompasses  all things..and then they go full rabid textbook/biblical/ballistic --toward anything that is even remotely ’not yet fully understood.’

There are people there that do look at all the odd stuff that is not yet understood and do apply it to the gear they build, but they literally have to pussyfoot around the place and never mention it directly. If they do mention it directly, the literal minded cement heads evoke the textbook answers and start attacking mercilessly.

Since the cement heads outnumber the inquisitive and forward thinking, and that the cement heads bite and tear with no relenting or thoughts..the forum moderators have to side with the cement heads and the forward thinkers are the ones who are censured. So dense they routinely kill the dreamer without a shred of thought that they kill the very thing that makes humanity go forward, onward and upward.

Linear. Dense. Negative. Violent. Projecting. Not a clue.


Sound familiar?

For good reason, my tag line at DIYAudio, used to be:

"Only Dead Fish Swim With The Stream" -Malcolm Muggeridge
geoffkait - Tell me about it.

What would your like to know? And for what purpose?

Hi carp

"So, that's mainly why affordable hi-fi has largely disappeared."

I'm seeing the opposite.

I live in Vegas, and the affordable Hi-Fi is thriving. I talk to friends from other US cities and they see it flourishing as well. I've purchased a lot of it since 2004 to test vs HEA (from the Tuning end) and these products are great and for sure on par with the HE sonically. The last 4 years especially, the mass guys have caught up with the HEA recommended components.

When you have $100.00-300.00 receivers, integrated amps and low mass specialty amps competing with HEA components it's pretty much game over. The only thing really holding HEA together is the Appeal of something High End itself, it's not the performance.

Like I've been saying (others too) folks need to enjoy the ride watching a new order taking place in real time and just let it happen. Also folks need to invest their time into tuning in their systems and recordings. HEA is cool, but it is mostly "was cool" now. The decline is not going to reverse itself. Harry & J Gordon are gone and the new writers don't have the same charisma as even 10 years ago. Also, I've had friends of mine who are HEA store owners and they have been exploring how to either make a conversion to what is happening in today's market or contemplating retiring. There will always be a High End chapter but trying to tie it to the mainstream market is fading, and almost faded.

Personally I think it's a good thing. More people are into fine listen than ever before, and they're doing it affordably. That's a good thing.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

So Michael Green, a $300 Chinese mass produced receiver sounds as good as, say, Nelson Pass’s or Dan D’Agostino’s best work? I’m going to have to hear that to believe it. What $300 receiver are you referring to?

Most of us are not into high end gear because it’s cool. So we don’t care if cheap audio gear and "tuning" is the new cool.